Completely OT : Cannes, Mickael Moore and the Iraq War

[freduk]

If you need that "shame on you mister Bush, shame on you!" moron to start thinking you have a serious problem

[dogscoff]

At the begining of this we heard a lot of reckless talk about taking the war to Iran and Syria after Iraq. We don't hear that talk anymore much thankfully.

Bery true, hadn't noticed that until you pointed it out.
Of course it might have as much to do with the fact that another Iraq (or at least, another Iraq in the next few years) would be political suicide for Bush or Blair. What with all the scandals and revelations of skullduggery and deception they are only just holding on to their jobs now. Blair certainly, Bush probably less so.

Can;t wait for the upcoming local elections over here, labour are going to get obliterated.

I used to be a real labour supporter, but Blair's support of Bush has turned me right against them. We have no viable left-wing party now on the national level, just right (tory party: corrupt, inept and inelectable.), almost-as-far-right (Blair's labour: to think labour used to be a proper socialist party ) and a central party (Liberals: Never been in power, so who knows?).

In local elections we will also have the usual array of independents, extremists and wierdoes, but also the "UK Independence party", which is basically a nasty, reactionary right wing little setup which cares for nothing more than flatly defying anything the other side of the channel and beating up on immigrants and refugees. They will do very well in the local elections, and in doing so split the tory vote right down the middle. Labour will probably lose most of its votes to the liberals, with a few more protest voters drifting rightwards.

I think we'll have the greatest number of liberal MPs this time around than ever in history, and with a little luck we might even end up with a liberal govmnt one of these days. Most of their policies seem ok (they have consistantly opposed the war) but then they never expected to get into power so they can say what the hell they like . Personally I'd vote for anyone within spitting distance of the left who wasn't just in politics for ulterior motives.

Still, the liberals deserve a chance imho. I'll vote for them and (hopefully) see what they look like in power. If they turn out to be as corrupt as the rest of them I've decided I'm going to give up on democracy altogether and become a crazy-eyed anarchist.

[Atrocities]

Simply put any one with enough money and a film camera can make any documentary about anything, even if its sole purpose is to mislead and misinform.

That fat du.. never mind, just keep in mind that this guy makes his living on manufacturing controversy and if he had his way, we would all be goose stepping to his drum beat.

Most people do not take him or his work seriously because it is so slanted and so obviously intended to cause controversy.

I guess we need people like him in our world to remind us that sometimes free speech can be a weapon of mass destruction all by its self.

[Sinapus]

Originally posted by trooper:
I don't think guys such as M. Moore fears polemic...

But there has been a real attempt of censorship from the US governement concerning this documentary. What does the gov. fear, if all this document is pure bull**** ? And does the US constitution still ensures freedom of speech for everyone ? That's questions I would ask to myself if I was an US citizen...

What censorship from the US government? All that's been blathered is a claim from Moore about Disney "suddenly" deciding to not distribute the film followed by a retraction from him about a day later.

Freduk: Don't bother trying to sound friendly if all you're going to do is presume that most of the people who don't agree with you are stupid, or brainwashed, etc. Give it a rest.

[tesco samoa]

Freduk was just having some fun hence the

I was not offened.... I may have offended person next to me when i laughed.

[Atrocities]

If Disney won't push it, then it must be full of crap. Good call for Disney.

[rextorres]

One thing the movie brings up that no one has rationailized is why did Bush allow Bin Ladin's relatives to leave the U.S. right after 9/11.

[ May 18, 2004, 17:04: Message edited by: rextorres ]

[Atrocities]

Originally posted by rextorres:
One thing the movie brings up that no one has rationailized is why did Bush allow Bin Ladin's relatives to leave the U.S. right after 9/11.

There is no proof of that, and even if there was, there is no PROOF that Bush himself said "Ok, they can go home."

Again this guy feeds on conspiricy by tossing gas on it. If he is such a great film maker then why in the hell doesn't he do a documentary on how Clinton signed the marshal law order two hours before the explosion in Oklahoma? How in the hell did Clinton have foreknowledge of this event? Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm? Simple the way it played out was NOT the way it was suppose to.

But will M. Moore do a documentary on this? Oh hell no. Shame on you Mr. Moore, shame on you!

[Phoenix-D]

Originally posted by rextorres:
One thing the movie brings up that no one has rationailized is why did Bush allow Bin Ladin's relatives to leave the U.S. right after 9/11.

Other than the fact that said relatives have -disowned- him, and the idea was to get them away from murderous idiots? Kind of like the guy who killed a Sik here in Arizona a few days later. Because he wore a turban.

Hmm, how about the next time someone commits murder we sentance their family to death too. That'll go over well.

[rextorres]

Phoenix - you are going to have to do better than that - there were relatives of the hijackers that were being arrested simply because they were relatives. The Bin Ladins, on the other hand, who might have had knowledge of Osama's whereabouts were allowed to leave the country without even any questioning - sure sounds fishy to me.


Atrocities - It's common knowledge. Also - Clinton is no longer President don't know why you keep bringing him up. If anything I would compare Bush to Nixon but I won't go there.

[ May 18, 2004, 19:38: Message edited by: rextorres ]