OMG: The Revenge of the Sith

[geoschmo]

The whole force=midichlorian thing was a really bad move on GL's part. The other complaints are valid, but mainly cosmetic and subjective. But the midi thing totally changed the fundamental message behind the story.

The original it was all about how through determination and faith anyone could triumph over evil. Luke was just a poor dirt farmer from the backwoods, but because he believed in something and his friends believed in him they were able to beat the bad guys. It could have been anyone. It's an old story, but a good one.

But now we find out it couldn't have been anyone. It had to be Luke, and before them Anakin, because he had the right kind of blood. It's very subtle, but also very racist.

The problem didn't really start with EP1 though. Really from the point where we find out Luke and Leia are Vaders kids the whole thing went down the tubes as far as storyline goes. After that the effects were neat and all, but that was the about it. The story was shot.

[geoschmo]

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[dmm]

Originally posted by geoschmo:
... the midi thing totally changed the fundamental message behind the story.

The original it was all about how through determination and faith anyone could triumph over evil. Luke was just a poor dirt farmer from the backwoods, but because he believed in something and his friends believed in him they were able to beat the bad guys. It could have been anyone. It's an old story, but a good one.

But now we find out it couldn't have been anyone. It had to be Luke, and before them Anakin, because he had the right kind of blood. It's very subtle, but also very racist.

Are you telling me you believed Luke was "just anyone?" How about Obi Wan just happening to live right near Luke, and just happening to have Luke's father's light saber, and just happening to have been his father's mentor, and Luke just happens to be able to use the Force with only a few lessons, and Luke just happens to be the only one able to hear Obi Wan in his head? And Obi Wan says stuff about the Force running strong in his family?

Not to mention how Vader is the only bad guy who uses the Force, even though it is obviously a great advantage.

It is SOOOOO obvious from the get-go that only certain people can consciously use the Force, and that the ability often runs in families.

I can see how you'd call it elitist, but not racist.

I didn't like the midichlorian idea because
1) it put a scientific spin on something that was supposed to be mystical, unexplainable by science;
2) it was a blatant ripoff from the "A Wrinkle in Time" trilogy by Madeleine L'Engle;
3) it had them "sending" a blood sample for analysis from a teensy transmitter to the ship (technology ex nihilo);
4) it had the impersonal Force acting on its own, as a person, when it purposefully created Anakin; and, Last but not least,
5) it was a blatant ripoff of the Christian doctrine of the Virgin Birth of God Incarnate, which GL may consider to be mythology but 1/4 to 1/3 of the world population does not.

Even with all that, I am still looking forward to the Last SW movie. Episodes 1 and 2 definitely had flaws, but I enjoyed them anyway. I think the challenge for GL is to make E3 enjoyable, while at the same time to adequately explain Anakin's fall to the Dark Side. Seeing a good guy become evil is not much fun; how can GL balance that?

[Master Belisarius]

Sorry, but expecting a bad movie like the other two of this new trilogy, then think the word "****" would fit better than "Sith".
IMHO, The Phantom Menace was a bad movie. But I consider the Attack of the Clones the worst ratio in the history, between money spent / FX / film quality.
Honestly, think have not evidence to believe this one would be better than the other two.

[Raging Deadstar]

When Phantom Menace came out i was in early teens if not before then. Star Wars was still one of my favourite films at that point, i loved them. I can honestly say that Episode I never captured me in the same way, this is from a childs perspective, it was a good film, just lacked something.

Although looking back I would rather be placed in a cell with Jar Jar that watch the awful tripe that was Aotc. It was horrible, ghastly, an abomination to the star wars name. The film was so slow and felt so miss matched. There was exceptional promise with very clever parts in there, We could debate this over and over again, it was a Horrible Movie, the Worst Sci-Fi Movie i have ever seen!

That said i will go see Episode III just so it lines George lucas Pockets to the extent that he can retire from butchering the memory of the star wars trilogy anymore.

[ July 27, 2004, 00:36: Message edited by: Raging Deadstar ]

[Kamog]

Well, I don't like Jar Jar Binks and nobody I have talked to liked Jar Jar either . It was a good thing that he wasn't in it very much for the second movie. I thought the second movie was a lot better than the first.

The worst Sci-Fi movie I have ever seen has got to be Star Trek V: Final Frontier.

Edit: typo

[ July 27, 2004, 00:48: Message edited by: Kamog ]

[Azselendor]

Originally posted by Randallw:
I think its good. Revenge of the Sith vs. Return of the Jedi, and RotJ was originally going to be Revenge of the Jedi till those in control realised Jedi don't seek revenge.

Actually, The title Revenge of the Jedi was dropped because at the same time, Star Trek II was sending our press junkits using the title "The Revenge of Kahn". Feeling that may cause star wars fans to became confused, they changed the title not realizing that star trek produced realized the same problem would arise with star trek fans and already changed thier film's name to Wrath of Kahn.

[thorfrog]

What was bad about phantom menace? Well, I did end up liking it after a few viewings. But here is my list of what was bad:

-The force is now intergalactic cuties
-The Gungan smurf berry weapons
-Jar Jar (why did they do this?)
-Dumb looking aliens of the trade federation

Now here is what was good:
-Darth Maul
-Jedi battles
-Pod Race

[Randallw]

Originally posted by Klvino [ORB]:
Actually, The title Revenge of the Jedi was dropped because at the same time, Star Trek II was sending our press junkits using the title "The Revenge of Kahn". Feeling that may cause star wars fans to became confused, they changed the title not realizing that star trek produced realized the same problem would arise with star trek fans and already changed thier film's name to Wrath of Kahn.

Really, well you learn something new every day. I don't really watch any of the movies completely unless theres nothing on tv all evening. I must admit to being a bit of a effects junkie. Stuff the plot, when I want to watch something for a few minute I put a star wars tape in and just watch one of the battles. As for Anakins mothers immaculate conception (yes I'm Catholic) I have just been assuming some explanation will appear eventually, otherwise I will be a bit angry. Also I dislike the midichlorian take. When I posted before I didn't think about those things. Probably because now I come to think of it I havn't watched any part of PM for years (hmm, maybe subconciously I don't like PM after all ).

[DarkHorse]

Originally posted by Raging Deadstar:
It was horrible, ghastly, an abomination to the star wars name... it was a Horrible Movie, the Worst Sci-Fi Movie i have ever seen!

oh yeah? check this out.

EDIT: Reminiscence...
I'll never forget watching the preview for the above flick one day at the movies... it looked kinda stupid, but maybe had a chance, until they flashed the name of the movie on the big screen. The collective groan from the audience was priceless.

[ July 27, 2004, 02:39: Message edited by: DarkHorse ]