#15 Australian OOB Queries

[TDR]

Originally Posted by DRG

Guns are dealt with as are the engineering leos

Don

Thanks for the work.

[TDR]

Some passing observations.

Artillery:
Since the 1990's Australia and New Zealand have had the 105mm L119A Hamels. I can't as yet pin the start date down, working on that.

This replaced the 105 mm M2A2 in the Australian Army.
The 105mm L5 Pack How was already out of service.
At present I can't find the dates for the out of service for the M2A2 guns.

Also Australia has had the 155mm M198s. These started in service 1983, not sure of the month.

The Australian Army has taken on charge the 155 mm M777 as of mid/late 2010.

These will replace all the L119s and the M198s. All RAA Regts will only have the M777 as the operational gun.

Army Reserve RAA units may have the old L119As but somewhere I read they will fall back on to the 4.5 Mors as their main equipment.


Formations and weapons
In the OOB there are 2 formations:
#206 Rifle Co VN (+)
#207 Rifle Coy (VN)

I presume these represent the Vietnam War period.
If so:
These 2 formations have the formation: #208 Spt Pl (VN)
This formation unfortunately also picks up the 84mm L14A1; Weapon: #29 L14A1 SRAAW
This was not available in theatre due to restrictions on ammunition, (there wasn’t any), so hence not available in that time slot.

The L14A1s were not replaced by a bunch of M72's either. Some units had a US weapon that look like a rocket launcher, just cant remember what it was called. Just got to find the information again.


Weapon queries:
#13 L4 7.62mm LMG
Is this considered Australian service or New Zealand service?

It was not an Australian used weapon. Australia went for the L2A1 Automatic Rifle, (heavy barrel SLR), but this weapon was dropped as useless and moved almost straight to the M60 GPMG.


The Weapon list has the Owen SMG but not the F1 SMG. This is really a small point as in game terms the weapons are almost identical. Though from a personal perspective the Owen was better.

[Mobhack]

The L4 LMG is the BREN re-chambered for 7.62 NATO. 1100 bought from the Uk post war, and barrels made at Lithgow. Also used by NZ (but there is no MBT NZ OOB).

http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=39262

Andy

[TDR]

Originally Posted by Mobhack

The L4 LMG is the BREN re-chambered for 7.62 NATO. 1100 bought from the Uk post war, and barrels made at Lithgow. Also used by NZ (but there is no MBT NZ OOB).

http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=39262

Andy

Thanks Andy.
I had heard about the rechambered Bren but over my years in the system I never saw one.
Anyway solves that query.

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

M777 155mm already on my work list two years ago (Can't get everything in unfortunately.) Your rough time frame about right and I think by early last year or a little sooner they also got the GPS targeting package as used by the USMC if memory serves. I think some of those other arty dates were incorporated in one of my refs but, it's been awhile.
https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com...owitzer-04829/
This was a key ref, however you'll see it's currently "locked out" for public viewing. I can log in but it wouldn't do any good here. Just keep checking back. However that being said in the upper left note the date it was last posted, beneath that was the latest update concerning the topic at hand. Looks like the date was maybe later. Have others...no worries!
Gotta go have a 0700 date with the range. Good Night!

Regards,
Pat

[DRG]

Originally Posted by TDR

Formations and weapons
In the OOB there are 2 formations:
#206 Rifle Co VN (+)
#207 Rifle Coy (VN)

I presume these represent the Vietnam War period.
If so:
These 2 formations have the formation: #208 Spt Pl (VN)
This formation unfortunately also picks up the 84mm L14A1; Weapon: #29 L14A1 SRAAW
This was not available in theatre due to restrictions on ammunition, (there wasn’t any), so hence not available in that time slot.

The L14A1s were not replaced by a bunch of M72's either. Some units had a US weapon that look like a rocket launcher, just cant remember what it was called. Just got to find the information again.


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This has been dealt with by creating a new 90mm RCL unit with just HE that only #208 Spt Pl uses. It gives the VN formations support without involving weapons that they didn't have in theatre