Emergency Build - Unfair

[SunDevil]

Baron, I like your idea a lot.

[LintMan]

I'd rather not see emergency build negatively effect happiness levels.

As I see it: if you want to double production in real life, you'd add a second shift, not make everyone work 80 hrs/week. But even for overtime, that means extra $$$$ for the workers, and I know lots of people that just _LOVE_ working overtime, for the extra cash at a higher rate, so I don't see overtime as a negative happiness thing. Instead, I see a second shift or overtime as cost factors.

I'd like to see emergency build not turn limited at all, just cost-based. So it would cost, say, 50% extra per turn to run in emergency build mode - so you'd pay 3x the cost for 2x the production, but you could do so for as long as you wanted (and could afford). In other words, for a planet with 2000 production per resource, emergency build would produce 4000 per resource, but cost 6000 per resource (with the extra 2000 lost as overhead). In reality, 50% extra cost is way too high, but for game balance, it might be OK or even a bit low. (Maybe 100% overhead would be more balanced in the game?)

To reform the build process further, I wouldn't allow free swapping of in-construction items. Anything currently being built would have to be scrapped (returning a % of it's total paid cost) before a new item could be substituted in. Also, leftover production when an item was completed would be applied to the next item on the queue. Lastly, space yard facilities wouldn't effect the production rate for units or facilities - just ships. Perhaps a new facility could then be made that only effected facils and/or units.



[This message has been edited by LintMan (edited 25 January 2001).]

[Puke]

I like Lint's idea best. i dont see it happening though, so perhaps a setting for emergency build incurs x turns of slow build (could be set for 0) and em-build Lasts for x turns (could be set to infi)

a good add would be a setting for em-build costs x% above the regular resource cost for production, or slow build produces at x%.

[dmm]

Once I started a game with TWO alien race homeworlds in my home system. I'm ashamed to admit it, but I couldn't help myself -- I just used emergency build, and made 10 warships before the others had made 5. Of course my fleet always outnumbered their fleets, so they attacked each other, thus assuring their doom.

[Drake]

You could always try playing with your eyes shut. Just keep hitting F12 every so often and hope you don't get overrun.

Check out http://www.crisium.com/sn/cbg_intvw.htm for a humorous take on some of the problems of designing an AI that learns to play strategy games like a human does.

-Drake

[Commander G]

Emergency Builds should give a short term benefit with a penalty that ends up costing more in the long term. It needs to have a trade off.

I myself tend to build Shipyards 1 turn at normal followed by two emergency turns if I need it fast. Then I use two slow turns to build cheap things such as units.

Production Queues ought to start the next item immediately instead of waiting for the next year.

I think there have been several good proposals for making Emegency Builds a true trade off. I use them almost constantly because I get a net game using them. Has anyone ever worked for a company that has people work 80 hours one week and 10 hours the next? I doubt that would increase productivity, but I'm open to hearing someone prove me wrong.

Possible Penalties for Em Builds:
1) Extra Resources consumed to reflect wasteful management.
2) Decrease happiness to reflect an overworked populace.
3) Decreased population growth to reflect hazardous working conditions. Or take the idea even further to decreasing population to reflect slave labor conditions. Wouldn't it be great to capture another player's homeworld and ruthlessly work them to death?
4) Increased maintenance on things build using Emergency builds to reflect shoddy construction.

Actually, I think the 'Slow' idea should be elminated. Have normal production always be the baseline and queues can be boosted varying degrees to get different penalty levels to the items mentioned above. Have a list of checkboxes of things you are willing to do to improve production. Perhaps even have racial traits that determine which you can employ? Vulcans would probably not allow slave labor, but Klingons would not hessitate. Emotionless races could work their people harder without incurring a happiness penalty.

[rdouglass]

This is my opinion of Emergency Build I copied from another thread i posted to previously....

Personally, I don't really care if emergency production is altered although being more realistic is always nice. What I care about is the AI knowing HOW TO USE Emergency Build. I agree (for playability - is that a word?) that these can be "arbitrary" values for production increases /penalties as long as the AI uses them also. As it stands now, the Emergency Build seems to be a "cheat" since the AI never uses it.

That IMO is the only problem with any of these "loopholes" that allow human players advantages over AIs. If the AI uses them also, they're no longer cheats....

[Instar]

I use emergency build for the Last 2 years of making sphereworld components, because Im not going to be using them again anytime soon anyhow. It really speeds things up.

[Socialist]

i agree emergency builds should be extreemly
negative..short term bonus but major loss
and not able to be used very long. its meant to be a short term help when absolutely necessary..not a way to circumvent (and get cheappy units during downtime).

probalby need to make it less useful for those who live on it. 0 percent work for like two turns and only allowed for one item
once it finishes many turns of downtime..basically kill it off for any who live on it to get arround waiting for regular builds

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