Modder's Toolkit?

[anlubue]

I am playing Steel Panthers since release, got countless hours of fun with SPMBT and SPWW2 since Version 1. Matrix version was quite fun too. (i liked the way commando troops enter the battlefield.) But personally i do not give a dime about active modding communitys for SPMBT or SPWW2, they are gone in 9 month eventually, leaving us with some Tigers in yellow stripes. I hope this don't offends, sorry for my miserable english. Maybe i did not understand well enough. To be honest i would also bee happy to have air units in my core campaign again. I'm missing these, but in my opinion a CD extended feature in "preferences screen" or game.ini would be better than a Hex-workaround of a modding group. I got a much better thing than active modders, i got a Developer who gave me permanent updates and good features. No Sir, i dont need no modded content, no 300 extra sound files or troop colors either.

[RecruitMonty]

Originally Posted by anlubue

I am playing Steel Panthers since release, got countless hours of fun with SPMBT and SPWW2 since Version 1. Matrix version was quite fun too. (i liked the way commando troops enter the battlefield.) But personally i do not give a dime about active modding communitys for SPMBT or SPWW2, they are gone in 9 month eventually, leaving us with some Tigers in yellow stripes. I hope this don't offends, sorry for my miserable english. Maybe i did not understand well enough. To be honest i would also bee happy to have air units in my core campaign again. I'm missing these, but in my opinion a CD extended feature in "preferences screen" or game.ini would be better than a Hex-workaround of a modding group. I got a much better thing than active modders, i got a Developer who gave me permanent updates and good features. No Sir, i dont need no modded content, no 300 extra sound files or troop colors either.

Ja ... da hat einer eindeutig was missverstanden, aber so was von. Es geht ja nicht darum, dass die Modder eine Lösung dieser Probleme selber deichseln sondern, dass die Entwickler vielleicht einiges noch in Angriff nehmen bei der nächstbesten Gelegenheit.

U.A. Platz für Icons der Modder zu schaffen, da einige Mods durchaus Platz benötigen (z.B. Vietnam Mod, Cold War 2020 oder eben Das Reich) und nicht alles was die Modder leisten für die Katz ist (z.B. bessere Sounds, ganze Reihen von Icons usw. usf., die ja auch dann im Vanilla Spiel Verwendung fanden).

Sinn und Zweck der Mods ist es nicht die Arbeit der Entwickler fortzuführen sondern neue Wege zu gehen.

Schöpferisch tätig zu sein, heißt es .

Ich arbeite kontinuierlich an meinem Projekt, "Das Reich", seit einem Jahrzehnt mittlerweile und daher finde ich die folgende Bemerkung echt ein bisschen weithergeholt:

But personally i [sic.] do not give a dime about active modding communitys for SPMBT or SPWW2, they are gone in 9 month eventually, leaving us with some Tigers in yellow stripes

Zum Glück werden Sie weder gezwungen, die Mods zu verwenden noch werden wir - die Modder - gezwungen unsere Arbeit einzustellen, weil alle derselben Meinung sind wie Sie.

Fazit:

lurk moar, wie die 4Channer so gerne sagen.

[scorpio_rocks]

Originally Posted by anlubue

I am playing Steel Panthers since release, got countless hours of fun with SPMBT and SPWW2 since Version 1. Matrix version was quite fun too. (i liked the way commando troops enter the battlefield.) But personally i do not give a dime about active modding communitys for SPMBT or SPWW2, they are gone in 9 month eventually, leaving us with some Tigers in yellow stripes. I hope this don't offends, sorry for my miserable english. Maybe i did not understand well enough. To be honest i would also bee happy to have air units in my core campaign again. I'm missing these, but in my opinion a CD extended feature in "preferences screen" or game.ini would be better than a Hex-workaround of a modding group. I got a much better thing than active modders, i got a Developer who gave me permanent updates and good features. No Sir, i dont need no modded content, no 300 extra sound files or troop colors either.

You are quite right it IS wonderful to have such dedicated and active developers - something we are ALL grateful for!

However, I think you misunderstand how committed some of the modders are. Some spend years carefully crafting full mods (ie Das Reich, Vietnam, ACW, 2020, etc), for others its an icon here or there, a small Quality-of-life change (ie small id flags, VP roundels, sounds, etc). No one is trying to re-imagine the game - just add a few OPTIONAL garnishes or ALTERNATE takes to ENHANCE your gaming experience.

The point of this thread is NOT to "take control" or "force changes" to the game but to allow a small corner of the garden in which we can plant our own seeds - for the enjoyment of ourselves and (we hope) others.

If you don't like a mod don't use it! No one is asking that you use anything - we just try and add to the experience.

Two of the reasons for this great game's longevity are its fantastic dedicated developers (who, by the way, started this as a mod...) and the ability of all users to tweak and change stuff to their personal preferences (The game ships with a .shp file editor, scenario, campaign and OoB editors after all)!

[anlubue]

RecruitMonty has pointed out to me that I actually interpret some wrong. That he himself has been working on his mod "Das Reich" for 10 years already, and my general comment on Modders ... I do not know the word in English. It was beside it. Is injurious.

These are good points which I can think about. What I can say right now is that it is not my intention to make modders look in a way unnecessary. It is great that there are modders who love what they do. They created great. I did not want to bother anyone. Sorry if i did it to you Recruit Monty. The desire of the modder, to have more possibilities, is a perspicuous reason.

Lurk Moar:
I got involved in this conversation because i look at it from a somewhat frightened view. What about those, who gave me a great game many years ago? They still have to jump? Let me calculate: Any questions I ask in this forum, no matter how ignorant they might be (because of not reading the manual), are not only answered by experienced players like you. Those are also the developers with the most competent answers. So I buy the game for 30 doubles. then I let the developers look for my needs around the clock in this forum. After some time, i think: "Hey wouldn't it be great if the smoke is a little more hazy? Let's make a mod of my own." I should immediately ask in the forum how I do it best. The developers have a sense. 10 hours of question and answer later I can get started and the mod is getting bigger with the years. But these "brothers" do not want to sacrifice more time in creating space for my icons. The place i am in need of. What you do is your affair, Whether the developer donate you time is their. I just wanted to say: you all do, but you don't do it for me.

Maximus Autismus

[RecruitMonty]

Originally Posted by anlubue

RecruitMonty has pointed out to me that I actually interpret some wrong. That he himself has been working on his mod "Das Reich" for 10 years already, and my general comment on Modders ... I do not know the word in English. It was beside it. Is injurious.

These are good points which I can think about. What I can say right now is that it is not my intention to make modders look in a way unnecessary. It is great that there are modders who love what they do. They created great. I did not want to bother anyone. Sorry if i did it to you Recruit Monty. The desire of the modder, to have more possibilities, is a perspicuous reason.

Lurk Moar:
I got involved in this conversation because i look at it from a somewhat frightened view. What about those, who gave me a great game many years ago? They still have to jump? Let me calculate: Any questions I ask in this forum, no matter how ignorant they might be (because of not reading the manual), are not only answered by experienced players like you. Those are also the developers with the most competent answers. So I buy the game for 30 doubles. then I let the developers look for my needs around the clock in this forum. After some time, i think: "Hey wouldn't it be great if the smoke is a little more hazy? Let's make a mod of my own." I should immediately ask in the forum how I do it best. The developers have a sense. 10 hours of question and answer later I can get started and the mod is getting bigger with the years. But these "brothers" do not want to sacrifice more time in creating space for my icons. The place i am in need of. What you do is your affair, Whether the developer donate you time is their. I just wanted to say: you all do, but you don't do it for me.

Maximus Autismus

Ich denke Sie haben es geschnallt.

Ich hatte schon verstanden was Sie zum Ausdruck bringen wollten. Lag wohl am Google-Übersetzter, dass es so bescheiden rüber kam.

Was die Mods anbelangt; klar kann man fragen wie die eine oder andere Sache halt funktioniert oder überhaupt zu bewerkstelligen sei, aber bei manchen Sachen muss man eben selber auf Entdeckungsreise gehen.

Beharrlichkeit führt dann am sichersten zum Ziel.

Machen Sie sich doch keinen Kopf, darüber, ob die Entwickler nicht mehr genug Platz für ihre eigenen Sachen hätten, wenn sie uns Modder einen Gefallen täten.

Schließlich war ihr Projekt am Anfang auch ein Mod.

Die haben eine enorme Leistung vollbracht und können immer noch Dateien herzaubern aus dem Nichts.

Vor einigen Jahren wurde es einmal zu knapp und "poof" da waren auf einmal wieder jede Menge jungfräuliche .shp Ordner. Hat natürlich viel Zeit in Anspruch genommen sie zu programmieren - ist ja klar - aber möglich war es.

Also, gut ist.

[DRG]

As of right now this change is in effect for winSPMBT only

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{18717, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8117
{18718, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8118
{18719, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8119
{18720, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8120
{18721, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8121
{18722, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8122
{18723, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8123
{18724, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8124
{18725, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8125
{18726, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8126
{18727, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8127
{18728, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8128
{18729, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8129
{18730, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8130
{18731, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8131
{18732, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8132
{18733, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8133
{18734, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8134
{18735, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8135
{18736, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8136
{18737, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8137
{18738, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8138
{18739, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8139
{18740, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8140
{18741, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8141
{18742, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8142
{18743, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8143
{18744, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8144
{18745, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8145
{18746, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8146
{18747, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8147
{18748, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8148
{18749, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8149
{18750, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8150
{18751, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8151
{18752, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8152
{18753, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8153
{18754, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8154
{18755, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8155
{18756, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8156
{18757, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8157
{18758, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8158
{18759, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8159
{18760, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8160
{18761, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8161
{18762, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8162
{18763, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8163
{18764, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8164
{18765, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8165
{18766, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8166
{18767, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8167
{18768, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8168
{18769, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8169
{18770, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8170
{18771, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8171
{18772, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8172
{18773, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8173
{18774, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8174
{18775, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8175
{18776, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8176
{18777, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8177
{18778, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8178
{18779, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8179
{18780, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8180
{18781, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8181
{18782, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8182
{18783, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8183
{18784, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8184
{18785, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8185
{18786, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8186
{18787, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8187
{18788, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8188
{18789, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8189
{18790, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8190
{18791, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8191
{18792, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8192
{18793, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8193
{18794, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8194
{18795, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8195
{18796, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8196
{18797, -1},//---------- MODDERS RESERVED //8197

PM22000.lbm to PM22999.lbm for modder use

[scorpio_rocks]

Woot TY!

[RecruitMonty]

Thanks DRG!

[MarkSheppard]

Here's a Modding chart for the WinSPBMT Modder's Icons/LBMs attached to this in Microsoft Excel 97-2003 zipped up.

Random statistics from within Excel:

150 Turreted Icons (Tanks, Helicopters? etc)
98 Invisible Turreted Icons (for AAMG on Non Turreted Vehicles ONLY)
98 Non Turreted Icons (Planes, Assault Guns etc)
1,000 LBMs

To put this in some context; by my rough calculations/estimates:

50 "Full" (Winter/Desert/Normal) Turreted AFV Icons

32 "Full" (Winter/Desert/Normal) Invisible AAMG Turreted AFV Icons

16 "Full" (Winter/Desert/Normal) Turretless Vehicle Icons.
+
50 "Single" Turretless Vehicle Icons.

This is enough to essentially, basically equip an entire National OBAT for a good period of time, especially if the nation doesn't fight in an extreme terrain (Desert or Winter).

[oragus]

Looks great Mark. Thank you!

Has anyone done an Excel sheet of the entire Icon list yet like that Mark, nice, clean, and organized?