Why isn't X ethereal?

[Meglobob]

Cant vampires gain mistform instead?

[SlipperyJim]

The *heims' glamour cavalry should be ethereal. They're too underpowered right now!

They should also:

• fly,
• inspire fear,
• have a strategic move of 10,
• have 100% poison immunity,
• have 100% cold/fire/shock immunity,
• heal any afflictions they accumulate, and
• have a bonus life-draining attack.

...

Um, what were we discussing again? Ethereal Bog Beasts or something?

[DrPraetorious]

Bog Beasts should definitely be ethereal.

The difference between a "hungry spirit" and a "vampire" is pretty marginal, folklorically, okay, BUT, these are pretty clearly either dracula-type vampires, or bathing-in-blood-type vampires, neither of which are ethereal.

Mistform would be good, but I don't think mistform is available as a unit intrinsic.

[SlipperyJim]

DrPraetorious said:
Mistform would be good, but I don't think mistform is available as a unit intrinsic.

Another use for the #onebattlespell command?

[Sombre]

I think natural prot 20 for vampires makes sense.

Some kind of vulnerability makes sense too, like fire. After all it isn't going to kill them, since they're immortal, it will just cause them to go back to the cap.

[Lingchih]

SlipperyJim said:
The *heims' glamour cavalry should be ethereal. They're too underpowered right now!

Please. No more requests for Heims buffing. They are badass troops and quite well-balanced as is.

[Endoperez]

Where does the prot 20 come from? The legends I've read about tell that to kill a vampire, you have to put a wooden stick through their heart, and that'd be impossible if they had that high protection.

I really liked the idea of giving vampires a home province oustide of which they would have to drain life to survive, but I don't think it would work, mechanically. If you summoned vampires anywhere but you capital, the immortality would transform them to a province where they'd hurt until they died again, to again reborn in the capital, etc etc. Also, trying to move the vampires out of the capital would be really annoying, as some would have full hp, some under 5, and many would die before you reached a battle.

[Juzza]

I believe that Vampires should be not be ethereal if anything, they should just have something like 10 natural protect and more hp, cause their evil powerful undead, but once you get past that, all Vampires are in Dom 3 are immortal Thralls of the Vampire lords, Peasants and Farmers giving immortality, They shouldn't be ethereal but the Spell Blood Rite should give a hell of a lot more vampires.

[NTJedi]

Something should change with vampires... I like the mistform trait idea. Currently ghosts are more powerful.

[Juzza]

Ahh, but ghosts die and don't come back, it's difficult to actually kill vampires.