APC Development and related topics.

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This is excellent. Thanks Pat

Don

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Don,
Only need to add Warrior SV that has just been approved recently under British MOD FRES program. Also added MBT items not found. Notes added as needed.
1. Norway/XA-203S/2007/C3 P7/12.7mm/http://www.military-today.com/apc/xa_203.htm
Other two countries have them in the game.

2. Taiwan/CM-32 YUNPAO IFV/C3 P6/20mm & RM 7.62mm/ http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product2671.html and http://www.military-today.com/apc/cm32_yunpao.htm
These refs and others indicate the APC and IFV variants are already fielded. Game makes APC variant not available I believe until 2012. FSV/C3/105mm variant doesn't appear available at this time, will track progress.

MBTs:
1. Jordon/M-60 PHOENIX/2005/C4/SB120mm, 12.7mm & 7.62mm/
http://www.military-today.com/tanks/m60_phoenix.htm, http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.o...3203.aspx?PF=1 and http://www.faqs.org/abstracts/Milita...oop-trial.html
The game shows Jordon with a "AL-RUKH" MBT which I couldn't find in a net search while doing my cross check and the game icon doesn't look the same as the picture below, that's why this is here.

2. Egypt/M-60 2000 120S/2009/C4/SB120mm, 12.7mm & 7.62mm/ http://en.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enwiki/262218 (Bottom), http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...d/m60-2000.htm and http://www.janes.com/defence/land_fo...0823_1_n.shtml
I wouldn't waste our time if I thought this MBT was a "mirage" but it's your call. I'm at 90% it's there, wish I could nail this down some more for you.

3. If time allows thought you would want a picture of the *BLACK EAGLE as it's listed with S. Korea to replace the artist concept drawing. Ref is for others as desired. http://www.military-today.com/tanks/t12_black_eagle.htm

Pics:




Have a Great Day EVERYONE!!,
Pat

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All,
Just a couple of more pics for you:
From a Korean source looks more like the 2000 120S but that's how it was labled.



Everyone GOOD NIGHT!,
Pat

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Don,
I'm going to hold off on the WARRIOR SV, it won't meet our window for ops. There seems however to be info to support that the British are using WARRIORs with TOWs (army-technology.com) on board as they equipped them for the Kuwaitis on their DESERT WARRIORs. Maybe you (or someone else?) have better sources then I on this matter to meet the outline of info you require as discussed. I didn't see any for the British in the game unless I missed it. Also it would appear that the "Korean source" picture is correct for the Jordain M-60 PHOENIX (Post #13) and the picture I provided (Post #12) must be of one with add on armor protection. Links will show upgrades and images (to support the above), all from the manufacturer for the PHOENIX.
http://www.kaddb.com/static/project2.shtm and http://www.kaddb.com/static/projects/m60/1.htm (3 Images)
My work is done here for now and will move onto the MRAPs which again should only be about five or six types. Hope to have them cross referenced and posted later this week before I leave for vacation to "the great white north". No response needed, I know you're in CRUNCH time.
Regards,
Pat

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Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH

Don,
I'm going to hold off on the WARRIOR SV, it won't meet our window for ops. There seems however to be info to support that the British are using WARRIORs with TOWs (army-technology.com) on board as they equipped them for the Kuwaitis on their DESERT WARRIORs. Maybe you (or someone else?) have better sources then I on this matter to meet the outline of info you require as discussed. I didn't see any for the British in the game unless I missed it. Also it would appear that the "Korean source" picture is correct for the Jordain M-60 PHOENIX (Post #13) and the picture I provided (Post #12) must be of one with add on armor protection. Links will show upgrades and images (to support the above), all from the manufacturer for the PHOENIX.
http://www.kaddb.com/static/project2.shtm and http://www.kaddb.com/static/projects/m60/1.htm (3 Images)
My work is done here for now and will move onto the MRAPs which again should only be about five or six types. Hope to have them cross referenced and posted later this week before I leave for vacation to "the great white north". No response needed, I know you're in CRUNCH time.
Regards,
Pat

Desert Warrior was an export-only item for 1 customer.

UK does not believe in APC with integrated ATGM, or ATGM integral to the rifle platoon. ATGM should be in own-unit support formations separate from the rifle platoon which can manoeuvre separately as required.

FRES Scout may (eventually) be decided some time in the next 2 or 3 years, after squillions have been p**sed down the drain over decades. Front runner seems to be a CV-90 with the 40mm CTWS turret. Maybe the 35mm. Choosing the 35mm bushmaster would be saner since it is used by many armies and the ammo is widely available, hence reasonable cost. 40CTWS would leave the army with a unique weapon system and calibre which is not good.

FRES APC is still further down the line it seems. The entire FRES programme has been a colossal waste of time and money. Only the UK MOD (which outnumbers the troops) could mis-manage this so wonderfully.

Andy

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Andy,
Was unaware that ATGW units worked independently, I would prefer a little bit of security around my assets. Love how these parallel programs for the WARRIOR (or any other) as discussed in the link have converged to the point where the WARRIOR SV has probably won out in the FRES program in that category. And the modernization program to take the WARRIOR out to 2038, makes me wonder if they'll just stick to it under the FRES program altogether in the end. Imagine how much more it would've cost if they started from scratch with a new platform altogether? I think every major military does the same, we did it with the
Osprey amongst others. Anyway here's the article.
http://defense-update.com/features/2...or_071209.html
Good Night and with Regards to ALL,
Pat

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Here's another article on the subject of the FRES/WFLIP programs.

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Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH

Don,
These were cross referenced against the game and I don't see them.

6. Netherlands/BOXER/2011/C3 P8/12.7mm/[b][url]

Unit 106 PWV APC

Don

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Don,
Back with no broken bones and some great cheesecake form NYC. Sorry I missed that unit. Will keep an eye out for any late developments. The HAWKEI has advanced to the next stage and is on track for 2013, but I'd wait until next years patch, as 2010 will be critical for that and other programs to include British MOD FRES.
Hope all is well.
Regards,
Pat

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Pat. Save any further updates until after the next patch please. I'm a bit snowed under with work as it is

Thanks

Don