Best National Hero?

[Cainehill]

odd_enuf said:
speaking of aribeth, how do you use his enslave mind attack, is it attack or fire?

odd_enuf

Pretty sure it had to be fire - I scripted Auluudh the Aboleth with a few buffs and then fire, and wound up with Bogus and 2 pals. Wonder if it should be reported as a bug that "Enslave Mind" displays "Damage: Death" when you look at him? (Also, Enslave Mind has ammo, which usually implies 'Fire'; I'm really not sure the supposed mechanics / effect of Soul Leech, whether it's just damage, or like life drain, or.... Never had him before, except in a quick test game, given that "Try_Something_New" is my first time with R'lyeh in MP)

[Taqwus]

In terms of being a combat monster, Ambicephalos is certainly rather extreme. He keeps his many sleep vine attacks even if you fill up his three hand slots, IIRC, and two heads + three hands + foot + misc + zero-enc + high hp base allows for numerous interesting options, and he even has recuperation.

If you're more into mages, Orokestes (Arco) and Bart the Patriarch (Pythium) could both be rather nasty given that both nations have a decent shot at a communion machine. Angerboda is much more robust, however.

[En Forcer]

Here's a question: Is there a list somewhere showing the heroes for each nation?

I'd love to know the stats for the three heroes that Ulm gets...

[archaeolept]

the units.xls, the most recent Version, has them; though it may be missing a couple from recently added themes.

[DLC1]

problem is he is undead, ambicephalos so mr equip is a must.

[Cainehill]

DLC1 said:
problem is he is undead, ambicephalos so mr equip is a must.

A lot of people think MR equipment is a must for _any_ SC or good mage. Ambicephalos being undead doesn't change that - he has a base MR of 17 (usually brought down to 16 by magic scale), meaning that Banish isn't going to have much of a chance of working on him, while Dust to Dust and Wither Bones aren't affected by MR anyway.

[Edi]

En Forcer said:
Here's a question: Is there a list somewhere showing the heroes for each nation?

I'd love to know the stats for the three heroes that Ulm gets...

The Unit_ID.xls available from Arryn's site has all national hero stats in it.

There are a few who are obviously better than the average hero. Some of the most powerful are Burkhard Nachtzehrer the Blood Marshal (BF Ulm), Mictlipoctli the King of Legends (Mictlan), Ekishnugal the First King (C'tis Desert Tombs), Angerboda the Great Hag (Jotun) and Etimmu the Wraith Lord (Ermor AE & SG). The Pythian Theurg hero, Bartholomew is also a very good one, and all of R'lyeh's heroes are powerful. Ambicephalos makes for a good SC chassis and Menopathos the White Minotaur is a good thug.

Regular and IF Ulm have by far the worst heroes overall, because they have little going for them. With the right equipment they are thugs, but that's all (one has recuperation, though). No mages.

For those who are curious, the BF Ulm heroes are Burkhard, Ulrich Patrifagus the Ghoul Baron and a mage whose unit type is Member of the Third Tier. The mage is passably good with F2S2B2 and has a stealth bonus of 40. The Ghoul Baron is practically worthless. All he has going for him is Unholy Priest lv 2 and he can possibly cast Arouse Hunger every turn for free (not sure about that, though), but he's slow as hell and dies if a mage so much as gives him a hostile glance. Not a spectacular fighter either.

Edi

[Graeme Dice]

Edi said:
The Ghoul Baron is practically worthless.

He's great. He can make huge numbers of ghouls so that your castles are impenetrable.

[Edi]

Oops, forgot that. Yes, you're right. I was looking at things more from the combat/magic point of view.

Edi