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November 14th, 2004, 10:30 AM
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Re: How can i destroy these ship class?
Thank you for the comments.
We play in late game, we use mostly baseships und dreadnaughts and alle technologies are avaiable.
Rockets are still useless because his pdc shot them down, before they can hit.I tried baseships with 25 rockets, but only one or two rockets hit.I use quantum reactos, but the ships are still missing him, because his enormous defensive skill make it impssobile to hi him from a far distance.
SHould i give my savegame to you? Then you can see the problem in the real game..
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November 14th, 2004, 11:07 AM
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Re: How can i destroy these ship class?
HdS, I would say at this point that your best option would be to avoid his fleet and target his planets directly. His engine damaging weapons is useless against planetary weapon platforms so be sure to beef up all of your planets with lots of WP's and satellites.
Also a nifty trick is to still use mines in the late game. In most cases they may not suspect it and if the fleet has no minesweepers you might get a few kills.
But I would just go after his planets now and avoid him in combat unless you have a 10 to 1 advantage.
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November 14th, 2004, 03:42 PM
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Re: How can i destroy these ship class?
Overcoming a large racial combat bonus disadvantage is often very, very difficult... Use smaller ships (such as Battleships), so that they move a lot faster in combat. The loss of damage when comparing the Massive Mounts of baseships with the Heavy Mounts of battleships and dreadnoughts is not that large. Your ships will also get a nice 40% defense advantage from not being baseships (as baseships get a 40% defense penalty), as well as being able to move faster than dreadnoughts and a lot faster than baseships. Set them to Point Blank range. This will allow them to get close and stay close to the enemy ships, to maximize your chances to hit. Before they are sent sprawling backwards of course...
Perhaps employ Wormhole Beams. They will fling the target ship to a random square on the combat map. Break up his fleets to make them easier to deal with.
Another option is to use high damage per shot but slow reload rate weapons. Since your ships are being flung away and unable to return to the fray, make them do as much damage as possible in that one round that they can... Perhaps Null Space Projectors would help. Do damage to the internals of his ships, bypassing shields and armor. Tachyon Projection Cannons (weapon damaging weapons) might also be an option, to try to disable his weaponry. They aren't too effective in the long run though...
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November 14th, 2004, 04:01 PM
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Re: How can i destroy these ship class?
A simple trick is to make a small fleet with specific orders to target smaller, non-weapon ships. These ships tend to carry supplies, anti cloak sensors, mine sweepers, troops, etc. The loss of the ships specifically will slow down the advance of a fleet.
Also, try diplomacy. Tell his allies that he's too big and dangerous to everyone. Try to get a few turns where he has no allies, so he'll scatter his fleets. His friends can come back to his side once the battle fronts are scattered.
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November 15th, 2004, 03:42 PM
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Re: How can i destroy these ship class?
The main Problem is: there is no way to attack his bases
there is the actual turn, i play the Trabe, the helial and föderation are my allies..
THe main Problem is lavinia and vacu adacho
the password is: woa2001
SEIV Version 1.84
www.nord-com.net/g.sauer/Zug.zip
it would be nice if you see any chance to win this battle
tahnk you
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November 15th, 2004, 04:11 PM
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Re: How can i destroy these ship class?
I cannot open your game under 1.84. Are you sure it has not been modded?
Use Warp Openers to bypass his bases, unless he is already fully protected against these devices; you are in deep trouble if it is so, as he probably has a Maginot line on that only entry point then.
I cannot give you any specific advice on how to deal with these bases without knowing their designs, but still... Ideas include:
- Wormholes beams, which can be used against bigger hulls, unlike Repulser Beams.
- Swarming them with a bunch of useless escorts going in close quarters. Works best if he has few bases and/or long-reloading weapons.
- If you are either very wealthy or face a small opposition, building enough missile launchers could work out. A base will only have so many PDC, and you only need to bring more seekers to start damaging the base (a seeking speed of six would be required though).
- Trying to sneak your way through. Launching a full decoy force and a few Star Destroyers could allow the Star Destroyers to survive the engagement, and then to make their run towards the system star(s). Blow up a star, and the whole system is destroyed. However, if you cannot create your own wormholes because he is protected against these, he will likely not be affected by Star Destroyers.
- The over-confident syndrom: does he have ten wormholes in all his systems? If not, find an uninhabited system in his Empire with fewer than ten wormholes, and open a wormhole leading to there. You will bypass the bulk of his defences, and should start glassing all his planets as fast as possible. If you could take down thirty of his planets or so in a single turn, you would bring down his whole Empire at once due to rioting.
So I would strongly recommand to avoid fighting the bases, unless there is really no way to outmanoeuver him (which would require him to have a perfect defensive pattern). Good luck to you if it is the latter, as you will probably need it.
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November 15th, 2004, 04:22 PM
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Re: How can i destroy these ship class?
Somebody try and help him. The turn is 2 mb, to big for me using dial up.
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November 16th, 2004, 01:47 PM
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Re: How can i destroy these ship class?
I am sorry, we use fyron's mod but and a mod how includes smalöl ringworlds,s dont know the exact name
the escorts are an idea, first i will test a armade of little ships,like battle cruisers.
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November 16th, 2004, 01:55 PM
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Re: How can i destroy these ship class?
send to atrocities ATgmail DOTcom and I will take a look for you. No promises though if I can help you.
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November 16th, 2004, 03:24 PM
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Re: How can i destroy these ship class?
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HdS said:
I am sorry, we use fyron's mod but and a mod how includes smalöl ringworlds,s dont know the exact name
the escorts are an idea, first i will test a armade of little ships,like battle cruisers.
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FQM Deluxe? The knowledge of what mod is being used is definitely necessary to be able to open the savegame file...
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