Umm, have to bring up the new "look"

[Jason2]

On a side note, I hope, Richard and others at Shrapnel, that you do not feel slighted. I simply was sharing my thought. I love SEIV (and admit to laughing out loud over the post about how to achieve victory and ... um... glassing planets, and over the post about a jagged piece of metal) and your other games. I just thought I would post and see what others thought.

J2

[mottlee]

I agree the bullet is out of place tho not for the same reasons, 1, this is a "Space" game 2,guns DO NOT kill people, People kill people! (oops...different soap box)I like the over all look but it dose need to be something different at the top

(thats mt $0.02 worth)
Mott

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[Suicide Junkie]

Seeing as its "Intel Forums", I would go for a more spy-ish image, such as the "top-secret" stamp.

BTW, I did that vote, and the results page showed one result *not what I voted for* I even went back, and it showed that I had clicked the right option button for what I wanted.
Whats going on?

[greghacke]

i can't abide by a "TOP SECRET" sign at the top. I'd never be able to read at work. Would cost me my job and my clearance. Would be difficult for me to convince the politicos that "it's just a game!" especially with the ATF and BCT games.

[Tim Brooks]

Suicide_Junkie:

Oops! Sorry about that. I goofed when setting up the survey and it wasn't updating immediately. It works now though... New software, all the little check boxes, arghhh...

Best regards,

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Shrapnel Games



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[Jason2]

I find it very impressive that Shrapnel/MM responded so fast and offered a vote.

I bought Fallout Tactics - which is buggy as heck and almost unplayable.... and the people at Interplay could care less now that they have our cash.

It is yet another reminder to me of how much this website and company rocks.

[Sirkit]

I do love how shrapnel responds to its customers, I love the color shceme but the bullet... I would prefer a radar screen or something, gets the same I dea across but isn't quite so blatant. By the way I don't know about the rest of you but in SE IV if I can help it I don't glass planets it's harder that way but I love a chalange, in one game I have taken the galaxy and hve killed (I kept a tally) only 89 million so far the dam planets keep rebelling! Gonna have to space the lot soon...

[Will]

Just my $0.02...

I voted "I don't really care one way or the other", and I really don't. I can understand the viewpoint of those who see the bullet as something out of place. I also understand those who say it's right where it belongs.

I have grown up and still live in an area of the country where guns are a fact of life. Nearly every house has at least one gun, and most males over 16 have at least one gun. Where I live, a gun is a natural thing to have, and people don't understand what all the fuss is about with guns. Some kid took a gun into his/her (though it's been mostly males thus far) school and shot at people? Then he never was taught how to use a gun. "He should get a good beating, he should have to look at what the results of his carelessness was, someone should teach him how to properly use a gun, then he should be put in jail for however many years the Judge decides", that's the response you would get here.

I believe in most of the arguements listed above. However, all the arguements above are the arguements of hunters, sportsmen. There shouldn't be guns made to kill people and only kill people available to the general public. It's a very sensitive issue, one that is made even more sensitive by the fact that the two sides are so diametrically opposite.

To get to the point: The bullet fits into the WarGaming genre. There are other things that could fit into the genre. Somebody will find something wrong with any header, no matter how many polls are held. For this particular one, it will probably end up being 33%/33%/33%, bullet bad/bullet good/I don't care. You can't please everyone.

[Sirkit]

Just thougt I'd add that th keep the bullet voters are ahead by 5%,followed by the dump it colum, VOTE PEOPLE VOTE, democracy doesn't work unless everyone participates

[Magus38]

Let me start off with the premise that violence is like money. In and of itself it is a neutral expression of conflict, an evolutionary transaction. Societies, cultures, like any organism, must conform to the rule that the first virtue is simply the ability to adapt and thus survive. All later cultural expressions, every art and every science must ultimately depend on this will to self preservation. Any culture which has eschewed such measures historically or begins to view violence even in self defense as anethema has ceased to exist.

A good example of this occured during one of the mongol invasions of China. The bureaucratic ruling class, the mandarins, upon learning that the mongols were advancing on them simply tokk to their beds in a show of complete fatalism and awaited death.

A game of this scope puts you in the position of absolute ruler and as such you must take absolute responsibility for all decisions, even the bloody ones that the struggle to survive and thrive imposes on competing species. To shy away from such action is both irresponsible and historically unrealistic. This is a wargame and like many of the better 4x or Civ type games it illustrates many of the painful truths underlying the success and survival of any species. Those who are most commited to their survival, do.

Some may think after reading this that I am advocating violence. Nothing could be further from my intention. It would be ideal if all species could live in harmony with each other, husbanding each other's growth culturally, scientifically and spiritually and perhaps one day we shall evolve to such a point on this planet. Until such a time arrives, however, a certain amount of historical realism continues to be merited.

Having said all this, I admit that I don't like the bullet. It seems a little too "Sgt. Rock" to me and these games are more sophisticated than that. So my objection is purely aesthetic, not motivated by any variety of political correctness. I felt it was important to put things in perspective (my perspective I suppose).

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