Fighters are broken. Can we fix them? - Page 2

Suicide Junkie · #1 October 18th, 2005, 04:17 PM

The biggest factor that makes PDC way too strong is the autofiring.
Even if your fighters get the jump on the enemy, they will still get raped before they can start to fight back.

For good fighters, try Carrier Battles mod! (Humans only, see PBW for open games)

narf poit chez BOOM · #2 October 18th, 2005, 04:18 PM

That +70% PDC bonus stacks with the +65% CS, I think.

Alneyan · #3 October 18th, 2005, 04:27 PM

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narf poit chez BOOM said:
That +70% PDC bonus stacks with the +65% CS, I think.

Yup it does, but anything over 99% isn't going to be helpful. Ships have a +55 bonus in training/components against Fighters (with best training and components), negated by the Fighters own defence bonus: +80, +70 or +60, depending on the hull used for the fighters.

bearclaw · #4 October 18th, 2005, 04:22 PM

Dark Nova Mod takes these things into account as well. I've reduced the range of PDC as well as added several other options for PD weapons. Fighters have also been bolstered with more sizes, more mounts (including extended ranges) and additional things to boost their speeds.

In effect, there are trade-offs from the choice of PD weapons and choice of fighters. Seems to work pretty well.

And when I use fighters, I deploy them in as small stacks as possible. 20 groups of 5 will absorb much more PD fire than 5 groups of 20 as there are 20 targets rather than only 5 targets.

Strategia_In_Ultima · #5 December 22nd, 2005, 08:12 AM

OOOOOkay, why do I smell necromancy?

narf poit chez BOOM · #6 December 22nd, 2005, 06:23 PM

...Nah. Only two months. Not necromancy. Just cyrogenic revival.

PvK · #7 December 23rd, 2005, 06:02 PM

Starhawk's last post was clearly referring to a mod.

In the unmodded game, PDC has a +70% accuracy advantage on top of combat sensors and training (which fighters don't have, in addition to their ECM being worse than ship ECM), and like all to-hit mods in SE4, it ADDS - 70% is an enormous extra shift.

Auto-targetting generally means PDC get more shots in, and concentrate on moving PD targets as they come in, and generally have greater range than fighters, and incoming fighters fire at the end of their movement, so a fighter stack gets nailed by all enemy ship PDC in range before it gets a shot off.

PvK

Phoenix-D · #8 December 23rd, 2005, 06:24 PM

Yes, he was, considering he was being asked about his mod..