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Old July 23rd, 2006, 03:22 PM

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Default Re: Soviet Tank Battalion 22 June 1941 - 8 May 194

Playing a similar campaign, got ahistorical mixed force, but generally a tank bn (BT-7 model 1937 co, T-26 model 1939 co, T-28 co (7 tanks), some AA trucks, a platoon of 76mm model 1936 guns, mortar platoon, BA-20M AOP, 76mm off map Bty and some scout units with Komsomolet's).

Battle 1, delay.
frontline consists of ifantry co with 6 45mm ATG's (support units) supported by T-26's, BT's and T-28's, of each company part is in reserve. Defenses on reverse slope except 45mm ATG's, which are a bit behind with good fields of fire.
76mm guns even behind them.
The 76mm fire is deadly - if it hits.
45mm fire is deadly - if it hits.

So far loses are rather minor and I'm beginning to reclaim victory points with a massed counterattack of BT's and T-26's. In the center bulk of Panzers got themselves in a trap, with arty buttoning them up and three 76mm and two (check... now just one, darn it) 45mm guns firing at them constantly, tried to "shoot and scoot" with BT's and T-26's with mixed results - while on move they rarely hit a thing. But they've scored a good amount of hits while standing over the slope, ie initial barrage after which they retreated into cover.
Enemy groups of platoon strength on flanks were stopped by pairs of 45mm ATG's and accompanying tanks - T-26's and T-28's.
So far lucky - lost three tanks, one ATG, two more tanks damaged. Enemy arty is far from targets, two Bf109's have missed targets and one of them got downed.
But the accuracy of Soviet tankers is really... Not good
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Old July 23rd, 2006, 06:51 PM
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Default Re: Soviet Tank Battalion 22 June 1941 - 8 May 194

Yep - you need the guys (both riflemen and tankers) to survive long enough to get to 70 plus experience, and 3-5 kills or so helps this process. once they are there, they are noticeably better than the 57-61 or so they start off at.

The 45mm gun is reasonably effective even frontally up to 300m or so as and until the 5-7 front armour P3s and long 75mm P4 start arriving in mid 42 or so. After that, you really need to fight German armour from short range side attacks. Luckily, they are only around 3 side armour. Even later on the 45mm should be useful, as Panthers are but 5 side, and I should habve T-70 with some APDS by then. (The T60 is useful as infantry support, bought with support points, but I do not see these as forming any part of my core force).

Once you can get the Zis-57, a section of 2 added per tank coy, with a section of kosmolets ammo carriers, if used skilfully is a good boost to a light tank coy. (Less so if BT tanks trying to advance fast though!). A hard-hitting and accurate little SP-ATG. But slow, low ammo, and open topped.

(NB - We made the experimental T-50-57 available for what-if. Only one made, there were problems with fitting the 57 in such a small turret, and the 57mm HE shell was always poor, plus there was never a reliable supply of the APCR round. At the cost, I think I would rather have a T-34 instead though! )

I have got a 76mm ATG platoon in the core, origianlly truck towed, now halftrack. Rather useful, even if attacking I push these forward to provide long range overwatches.

I had a section of T-28e to accompany each leg rifle coy, these are now (Late 42, entering Stalingrad battles) M3 Lees, and these are reasonably efective as infantry close support tanks if kept away from any long-75mm German armour.

I bought the infantry batallion support coy as I had 3 rifle coys. Initially I thought the HMG would all be upgraded to AAMG. However I have found that massed HMG are brilliant for defence, and supporting an attack as well. All now 12.7 Dushkas, for really long range support fires - both direct and Z-fires.

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Old July 24th, 2006, 12:22 PM

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Default Re: Soviet Tank Battalion 22 June 1941 - 8 May 194

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(NB - We made the experimental T-50-57 available for what-if. Only one made, there were problems with fitting the 57 in such a small turret, and the 57mm HE shell was always poor, plus there was never a reliable supply of the APCR round. At the cost, I think I would rather have a T-34 instead though! )
29 of T-34/57 with Zis-4 57mm gun were used in the Moscow battle. (I'm not quite sure, but I think one of these tanks was able to cut through German front line salient and break through on the other side.) Also second batch of T-34/57 with Zis-4M gun was produced in the 1943, to be superceded by T-34/85. I also prefer 57mm gun to 76mm as ATG.
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