Jomonese Blood-Magi??? - Page 2

Arralen · #11 September 12th, 2006, 05:14 AM

Just checked: No blood mages, not even among the national summons.

But they have nice capital-only commanders (note: he does not wear a helmet

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Nerfix · #12 September 12th, 2006, 05:20 AM

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Arralen said:
Just checked: No blood mages, not even among the national summons.

Some demons they are...so Kurofumi is a special case.

Nerfix · #13 September 12th, 2006, 09:11 AM

That Dai Oni looks superb.

Ed Kolis · #14 September 12th, 2006, 09:21 AM

Oh well, just thought I'd ask... yeah, maybe in a mod someone will borrow some R'lyeh sprites and use them for Jomon

Nerfix · #15 September 12th, 2006, 10:15 AM

I notice that that the Oni are poor leaders. How amusing. Demon kings who are poor leaders.

Boron · #16 September 12th, 2006, 10:31 AM

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Nerfix said:
I notice that that the Oni are poor leaders. How amusing. Demon kings who are poor leaders.

They are good leaders for demons and undeads though.

20 leadership
210 undead leadership
20 magic beeing leadership

50% of the early era japan national recruitable troops are demons

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For leading their normal troops the use the demon general, he has 120 leadership.

Nerfix · #17 September 12th, 2006, 10:38 AM

Oooh, I see, I see. I just thought that it was very fitting that they are poor leaders for humans, since their description hints at that.

thejeff · #18 September 12th, 2006, 10:44 AM

So demonic and undead leadership is still the same thing?

Do blood mages still get less of it than death mages?

Are there any new cheap demonic leaders?
It's always annoyed me to have to summon skeleton kings and the like to ferry demons around.

Boron · #19 September 12th, 2006, 11:24 AM

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thejeff said:
So demonic and undead leadership is still the same thing?

Do blood mages still get less of it than death mages?

Are there any new cheap demonic leaders?
It's always annoyed me to have to summon skeleton kings and the like to ferry demons around.

Hm then you will be slightly annoyed maybe

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It is still like in Dom2. Imho there was no need to change it though. If you look at it from another way you might like it maybe:

Imho this adds complexity and makes some nations more fun to play. Mictlan for example has now nationspecific uber blood summons. BUT blood leadership is slightly problematic for them. They have some new blood leader summons, but those are either expensive or have other minor weaknesses.
So this way the mictlan player has to be creative

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Also keep in mind the new random system. Now unlike in Dom2 a nation who does not get blood randoms has a very very tough time to try to get blood too. So imho it is fine as it is and if blood and undead leadership would be seperated it would make the game less interesting imho because some nice leadership problems for blood nations where the players have to be creative do not exist anymore.

thejeff · #20 September 12th, 2006, 11:53 AM

It's not so much that it's more complex or interesting. I've never had great problems getting leaders for demons.

It just seems unthematic for the simplest solution to be summon up some cheap undead leaders. Now if that becomes really hard in Dom3, it may add some interest. But since you only need 1D and a couple of gems, it seems likely that indy mages will supply that even with the new randoms.

Of course, it also pushes towards the uber blood summons instead of armies of lesser demons.