OT: Leni Riefenstahl and George Lucas? - Page 2

Azselendor · #11 January 30th, 2007, 04:58 PM

Lucas made no attempt to hide the Nazi overtones in Star wars or his use of WW2 imagery, I recall an interview where Lucas said that episodes 1-3 were based on the fall of Nazi Germany's republic into Fascism.

And Fatherland was a good what-if film. I caught it on AMC a few months ago. I gotta see if I can find it on DVD. in the film, wasn't Joseph Kennedy president?

Atrocities · #12 January 30th, 2007, 06:26 PM

No, I think it was John Kennedy. And why do they call John F Kennedy "jack"?

geoschmo · #13 January 30th, 2007, 06:40 PM

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Atrocities said:
No, I think it was John Kennedy. And why do they call John F Kennedy "jack"?

Jack is a common nickname for people named John. Don't know why though.

I can't speak to Lucas' influences concious or unconcious, but as far as the pictures go they really mean nothing. There is nothing unique or inherantly evil about the particular arangment of the people in attendance. Compare them to any ceremonial procession in a similar shaped building and you'll get the same "eerie similarity".

It would be difficult to NOT get the similarity actually. Look at pictures from any wedding in a basically rectangular church with a center ailse (the standard) and you are going to see it. I could probably find one from my first wedding. Though I may have thought the words "Nazi Cow" a few times in reference to my ex-wife, I don't think it had to do with how the wedding procession looked.

Atrocities · #14 January 30th, 2007, 07:36 PM

Well we all know that the now infamous "column" shots seen in every movie from The Matrix to Equilibrium owe something to Nazi German architecture.

geoschmo · #15 January 30th, 2007, 09:24 PM

It might be Germanic, but it way predates Nazism. I'm not really an architectural historian. I think a lot of it comes from Greek and Roman arcitecture originally.

Randallw · #16 January 30th, 2007, 09:30 PM

The President in Fatherland was Joseph Kennedy Sr. JFK's father. He was ambassador to Britain at the beginning of WW2 and was convinced Germany would win. He had a son, also called Joseph, who in OTL was killed when the overloaded bomber he was flying on a secret mission blew up.