Autocannon ammo loadout of AFVs

[Shan]

DRG said:
If someone wants to post some good HARD data on the actual ammo loads of autocannon armed vehicles I will be glad to look at it. Try to find something other than Wikipedia or pmulcahy for the source.

Don

That's exactly what I'd like to encourage people to do - come up with good sources so you'll have to look at it, and that is also where I had to say: Sorry for my bad sources - (maybe a longer internet research could turn out better results but it will all be open-source stuff) but even though I know the facts are like I'm saying, I agree that you (the team) will need some better backup sources to take this serious and modify the OOBs - provided you have the time and willingness to do so and can agree on what formula to apply... a major task, no doubt.
In my opinion, finding good sources is just a smaller matter that can eventually be solved by the right people who have this information, and I'm sure there must be some players in this forum who do, it 'just' needs to be collected and implemented - the main point is that I still believe that I'm right with my assumption that these inconsistencies exist and something should be done. I also chose to name only a few vehicles as a starting point and in my opinion it's quite obvious that something isn't correct with them.

Anyway - thanks for looking at this and providing the spreadsheets, Don - I hope this will result in something constructive.

Shan

[Shan]

Another one, IDK if this one has been mentioned before - but there must obviously be a mistake, apart from the under-dotation, as theunit has no AP ammo -

Yugoslavia: Unit 540 - M-80AK - new IFV version with 30mm cannon - currently only has 9x HE ammo, so AP or Sabot whatsoever

[DRG]

Previously mentioned. Already fixed

Don

[narwan]

Another possible candidate is the AIFV. In the dutch OB (nr 28) known as the YPR-765 PRI (unit 176 and 056), in the belgian OB (nr 27) as the AIFV-B (unit 064) and in the Turkish OB (nr 32) as the ZMA-AIFV (unit 176).

The are all basically the same vehicle with the 25mm KBA autocannon. The dutch have 9 HE and 8 AP, the belgians have 7 HE and 6 AP and the turks have 7 HE and 8 AP.
According to:
http://www.answers.com/aifv
the ammo load is 180 rounds ready ammo and 144 in reserve. That would mean that the current ammo load would reflect a 20+ round burst per shot.

Also note that the vehicles have different carrying capacities in the three OB's, 10 for the turks, 9 for the dutch (unit 056 has capacity 5), 8 for the belgians.

Narwan

Edit; looks like the turks have a different version after all with a higher carrying capacity. I'll take that issue to another thread on the AIFV.

[DRG]

Tell you what..... if ammo loads for autocannons on IFV's is going to be an ongoing issue that "everyone" just "has" to have fixed start ONE thread and start listing ammo loadouts by vehicle and what OOB's and unit numbers need changing and I will look at it. There is about 10 days left for this "issue" to be resolved

As for carry capacity for the "AIFV".what is it? Also Remco, you more than anyone know the potential ramifications of simply changing carry capacities without checking every unit that uses that vehicle and does it REALLY matter if one is 8 and one is 9 ? "Maybe" that reflects actual usage in each nation ? If you don't know for sure Turkey doesn't cram more troops into it than Belgium does there's no reason to change it.

Don

[Jan]

[(...)Also Remco, you more than anyone know the potential ramifications of simply changing carry capacities without checking every unit that uses that vehicle and does it REALLY matter if one is 8 and one is 9 ? "Maybe" that reflects actual usage in each nation ? If you don't know for sure Turkey doesn't cram more troops into it than Belgium does there's no reason to change it.

Don

Hello all,

for my first post here, i'm gonna talk about something that i know well since i spent six years of my life in the infantry with countless hours aborad AIFV.

When the army had lot of manpower due to conscription, their were 10 men aboard "AIFV canon" (YPR765 with 25mm turret).

They were 1 driver, 1 gunner, 1 vehicle chief, 1 (disembarked) section chief and 6 "Voltigeurs" (3 FNC, 2 Minimi, 1 MAG).

When conscription ended, the section chief is acting as vehicle chief and when he disembark, the gunner become the vehicle chief.

It must also be known that there are about 10 LAW, about 6 mines ATM6, 10 hand grenades and 4 HAFLA DM-34(hand held phosphore launcher, well know for it's balls breaker recoil .

If it could be usefull, i can review the belgian TOEs.

cheers,

Jan