Vehicle Size- Does size matter?

[DRG]

NO idea... maybe it's an assumption ?

I have no doubt you will find some but with over 35,000 units it's more than likely

However, the original post was about vehicles. The example I gave was tanks so unless we are nitpicking the size of a medium truck the tank sizes should be the same

All M48's are
All M60's are
All Abrams are
All T-80's are
All T-72's are
All T-55's are
All Shermans are
All T-34/76's are
All T-34/85's are
All Leopards are

all those tanks are the same size as other tanks by that name so you won't find a Greek Leo 1 a different size than a Canadian one

I'd go on but I have plenty to keep me busy

Don

[EOT]

Suhiir- I have read the help files and nothing about vehicle size is mention other than SCALE ( Vehicle Icons ) One icon pixel equals six inches.

DRG- I'm sorry if you feel like I'm nitpicking, I'm just bringing up observations of the game for conversation and possibly for future upgrades. I gave an example, how is a tank transporter smaller than a tank?

Some Icons are smaller in size but are rated larger?
Example: Sherman tank vs Challenger tank, M109 vs M1a2
Some Icons are the same but are rated different
Example: Stryker vs Lav3

If their is no affect on game play for vehicle size than disregard my last

[DRG]

I SPECIFICALLY used "medium truck" as the "nitpicking" example because medium truck is just a unit class name and the "medium truck" used in one OOB could easily be a different overall size than the "medium truck" used in another OOB. There is no 10 commandments of unitclass naming that says "Thou shall always rate this truck size 3 in this unitclass...no more..no less" It's depends on what the OOB designer needed to use it for and what a "medium truck" is in that nation. Yes, GENERALLY they will be all about the same size but more and more people are making these variations out to be far more serious issues than they are.

As to tank transporter.. how tall is the trailer of a tank transporter when it's empty ? 3 feet high ? How big a target is that? We picked a number for those years ago and stuck with it.

The Sherman is a tall tank. We have 6 sizes to choose from and based on it's opponents 5 was decided on as the best size choice all things considered. Should it be 4 ? Thats the same size we use for a Pz IV . A Sherman is a taller target and should be bigger than a Pz IV so it was made 5. We don't have the option of 3.4 or 4.2 it's 1 or 2 or 3, 4, 5 or 6.

M109 vs M1a2---OK WHICH M109 ?? You might make a case the early version should be 5 but not the Paladin

As to stryker vs Lav III one doesn't have a turret, one does. As I've said in other posts these are judgment calls and at some point somebody has to say this crosses the line and should be rated one larger or smaller than something similar and years later yes, it sounds like nitpicking especially when I have buried in work and NONE of these examples even comes close to "Most OOB's have many size discrepancies between vehicles and countries with same equipment" and PLEASE give me nation and unit number of all the "Some Icons are the same but are rated different" units you are aware of and I will make a note to look into it.

Feel free to find issues and report them but keep the comments realistic. I'm not going to pretend there are no problems with some of the numbers. I just discovered that 3/4 of the T-34's in MBT are size 5 and they should be size 4. That is being corrected now.

There are over 35,000 units and each unit in MBT has 68 data fields that could possibly differ and a great number of people have worked on these OOB's over the years so if there are differences I will deal with them but I need specifics not general statements like "Some Icons are the same but are rated different" tell me WHICH ONES.


Don

[Richard_H]

Sheer fear at the size of the task

I'll try & remember that bit about the T-34 & leave it out - the last thing I suspect you need is info 3 & 4 times over.

Please excuse my ignorance, but has amybody tried making a vehicle with size greater than 6? I see that hovercraft go up to 17. Hard-coded thing?

Richard H

[DRG]

Originally Posted by Richard_H

I'll try & remember that bit about the T-34 & leave it out - the last thing I suspect you need is info 3 & 4 times over.
Richard H

And you can note down I DO NOT care if loadcost of vehicle A is 10 and the same vehicle in another OOB is 12. I really ( REALLY ) don't care especially with tanks. The only thing loadcost is used for with tanks is loading into landing craft for beach assaults. It has no other purpose so it has to be 55 or below. I someone wanted to be able allow two tanks into a landing craft he would give the tank a weight of 27

In the past some players ASSUMED it was weight in tons. IT IS NOT otherwise most modern MBT's would not fit into a landing craft that has a code limit of 255 .


Don

[DRG]

1-6 is the standard for tanks since SP1

[EOT]

Originally Posted by DRG

1-6 is the standard for tanks since SP1

I thought the standard size of a main battle tank is 5

[Suhiir]

Never use SP3 as an example as it is a totally different game with totally different code then SP2 or WinSPMBT. The two are not really comparable.

As to trucks, point taken.

[EOT]

Originally Posted by Suhiir

Never use SP3 as an example as it is a totally different game with totally different code then SP2 or WinSPMBT. The two are not really comparable.

As to trucks, point taken.

You wouldn't have to change the code, this is just a reference point/guide to follow when deciding on the size of a vehicle. This would be a quick slotting system so that the vehicles specs are as close to the real thing and so that guys like me don't complain.

There is enough various between sizes so that any amour upgrades and turrets/remote weapon station would not affect the size unless the vehicle was on the bubble.

Example: M4 Sherman Size 5 would change to 4
Front Profile (8.7ft X 9ft) = 78.3
Side Profile (19.2ft X 9 ft) = 172.80
Average Silhouette 125.55

T-72 Size 4 would not change
M1 MBT Size 5 would not change

[EOT]

Originally Posted by EOT

You wouldn't have to change the code, this is just a reference point/guide to follow when deciding on the size of a vehicle. This would be a quick slotting system so that the vehicles specs are as close to the real thing and so that guys like me don't complain.

There is enough various between sizes so that any amour upgrades and turrets/remote weapon station would not affect the size unless the vehicle was on the bubble.

Example: M4 Sherman Size 5 would change to 4
Front Profile (8.7ft X 9ft) = 78.3
Side Profile (19.2ft X 9 ft) = 172.80
Average Silhouette 125.55

T-72 Size 4 would not change
M1 MBT Size 5 would not change

Enough various so that if I found specs that say the height of the vehicle is say 7 inches shorter and someone else finds info that references 5 inches taller, the vehicle should still be in the same sizing slot.