Why can't you ever make a fantasy TBS with modern graphics and UI ?

[Soyweiser]

Originally Posted by Campaigner

So people that come to your precious little community and ask why the games look old & outdated are classified as trolls....OK.

Trolls recognize trolls. And you my dear friend, are a troll. And this post gives you one bonus troll point. It is a freebie from one troll to another. http://www.criticalmiss.com/issue9/troll1.html

If I had any doubt about your intentions this "Ok, if you don't value immersion then so be it." took it away. Well played, but a little bit to obvious.

And you really overplayed your hand with the last post. Try a little bit more subtle the next time.

[Edi]

Originally Posted by Campaigner

Dude, WTF??
I don't know HOW you gotted that BS from my post but you seriously need to FIX your interpretionskill on understanding written posts cause yours is useless!

I never said a goddamn thing about that Illwinter should make a game on how I want it!
I'm saying that I'm frustrated that they make games with designchoices I don't enjoy and am puzzled as to why their graphics are ancient!

Here's a hint: If everyone else seems to be interpreting your posts differently than you intended and moreover interpreting them the same way, the problem is not with those people but with your own communication skills.

You started off practically wailing about the graphics of the game and I gave you the benefit of the doubt and answered seriously. With your answer to Gandalf and comments about how Illwinter should have hired more people to do better graphics and still keeping on comparing them to full time (as in doing games for a living) design studios, it was time to take the gloves off. You came off incredibly smug and practically taunting the people who answered you here. Including me, since you mostly ignored what I said.

I don't take kindly to people who waste my time that way, especially if they don't know what they are talking about. The design decisions relevant to your questions were explained to you. What more do you want?

Originally Posted by Campaigner

I had no idea about this game until your advertisingpost on AoW Heaven. And it doesn't matter ONE BIT if I knew about the game beforehand or not! Why should it??
I read your thread on AoW heaven, saw some youtubevideos of the game and decided to ask why the game is the way it is!

And you shouldn't need to know a damn thing about softwaredevelopment to ask why a game is the way it is!

Very good! Now, I admit that one does not need to know about software development cycles to ask about some things, but as soon as you go into the territory of telling software developers what they should do and how, you had damn well better have an idea of that very subject. And you went pretty far into that territory.

Originally Posted by Campaigner

By saying I'm "complaining", you make it sound like I'm *****ing and being annoying. But nice wordplay there.

QUESTION TO EVERYBODY: Do you believe that mods should be needed to improve graphics..?

No, games should have playable graphics from the get-go, but obviously a lot of people have different standards of what they are willing to play and what they are not. If this game is not good enough for you in that respect, or not good enough that the rest of the mechanics won't make up for it, just stating that would be sufficient.

Originally Posted by Campaigner

Never played any Elder Scrolls games, but I can't agree any of'em look like "crap" (I'm detailed in what I say and 'crap' would be like max a 2 out of 5).
I'ts good that people do that.

If you haven't played any of the Elder Scrolls series, especially the older ones, you probably have no idea of just how different the graphics from mods are and how much better.

Originally Posted by Campaigner

As for porting, completely irrelevant to me.

then why did you also bring that up?

Originally Posted by Campaigner

I don't give a damn about FC so why should I care about it??
I know a great deal about AoW mechanics except for FC (which I don't care about).

The AoW fast combat mechanics were brought up as the nearest comparison to how CoE3 behaves and it was stated there is no tactical combat like in aoW. In that context it is relevant and then you went on and opened your mouth some more about a subject you knew nothing about. Do you know how goddamn offensive that is?

Originally Posted by Campaigner

....So by discussing with you CoE III fans I'm "beating a dead horse"??
OK! So then you should only ever praise games you like and NEVER ask other communities why some games are a certain way and why they won't change.

No, whining about the CoE3 graphics is the dead horse you've been flogging. There are very different ways of asking things and being a disrespectful asshat about it from the start and continuing on that track after getting a civilized response is likely to get you flamed to a cinder. So the forest answers as it is shouted at, or something to that effect, I believe you have that saying in Sweden too?

Originally Posted by Campaigner

Don't worry, I'm not getting this game cause being in this community with complete dicks like YOU is something I would never stand!

You invited the response by your own attitude. Smarmy and smug, superficially polite while throwing out barbs and dismissing information and arguments out of hand, that is anything but pleasant and I don't have time for it. If you want thought to guilt trip me about it, nice try but it doesn't work.

Originally Posted by Campaigner

....Outside of politics, this is the first time where somebody I at first had a friendly discussion with becomes a complete dick after only four posts....congrats to the record

I've seriously never been so disappointed in my life at somebody on the internet.

See above for why you got the response you got. I went the professional, out of my way helpful route first and you just ignored that in favor of doubling down and repeating all the same things and taunting us for replying to you.

[Gandalf Parker]

Originally Posted by Campaigner

I remember that Illwinter was two guys but didn't know if they STILL were only two guys.
I thought they could just buy an engine and have much of the work already done. I know there are soundlibraries to use freely, perhaps there are graphicslibraries as well.
Anyway, they should have gotten some help with the graphics.

That would be a new game. This is not a new game. Its an upgrade of an old game.

And Illwinter did get help with graphics. They had an "intern" for awhile with Dom3. It didnt last long. They do not "hire" people. Its a friend/hobby business. Unless someone in their friends circle who speaks swedish volunteers, its not likely to grow.

Yes, in CoE III it's clearly defined but looks really, friggin bad for a game in 2012(!)

Its CoE II upgraded. The CoE2 people and many of the Dom3 people are very happy with it.

As for porting, Unix and Linux don't have enough players to make it worthwhile (Stardock says this).
Mac, I don't know. Was gonna say that Blizzard doesn't seem to have problems to port games to it but then again they got some more resources than most companies

You seem to be missing another note. This is a LINUX game. Its ported to Windows and Mac.

I want fantasy TBS games with depth but also great graphics and UI.

But what you want, is not Illwinter. An Indie company. Sorry about that. Comparing them to games created by cubicle jockeys and swarms of code-monkeys is complimentary. But I dont think it will sway them. They both have real jobs. They do this as a hobby and then let us in on it.

Dont you have a hobby? Do you do it well enough that people pester you that you should do it as a job? Do they tell you that you should do it different, lower your rates, make a bunch of bucks from it? Ive had that. I can totally feel for Illwinter. I think its great that they are holding out against turning their hobby into work. Im going to enjoy what they throw my direction rather than chance blowing them off the subject entirely by insulting them. Just IMHO of course

[samoht]

I'd probably just stop feeding the troll, guys.

[Gandalf Parker]

Why? They are so much fun.
"Just what I always wanted. My very own bunny rabbit. I will hug him,
and pet him, and squeeze him, and name him George."

[Annette]

Enough. Campaigner, this discussion does not belong on these forums. CoE3 was not published by Shrapnel Games, and we're not going to moderate an argument about it. Take it elsewhere.