US OOB 12 very minor comments

[MarkSheppard]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

Also, same machines as USMC OOB #100 M3A1 Flame, with improvised infantry flamethrowers, were used in action by the US Army on Pacific theatre from 1/44.

I think this is what you are talking about. These are from NARA II and the dates on the back of the cards were mid-1943.

[Pibwl]

Nice photo of M3. Tested in October 1943, first saw combat in 1/44 with the Army (Bougainville) and 2/44 by the Marines (New Britain)

I've found an info on M42 in photo's caption of Zaloga's book only:

"The only main armament mechanized flamethrower to reach series production in 1945 was the M5-4, with 151 completed. None reached combat, but they remained in service through the early 1950s (...) The flamethrower tank was designated as M42B1 when based on the M4A1, and M42B3 when based on the M4A3".

(a bit of explanation: POA-CWS H1 main armament flamethrowers were not produced in series, but were apparently treated as an authorized field modification).

[MarkSheppard]

Errata in US OB: (SPOB12)

Unit 008, M4A3

Winter icon (3496) does not seem to be a M4A3. Shape of the engine deck does not match summer (1086) and desert (1065) icons for M4A3.

[DRG]

Yep.......that's been corrected

[Pibwl]

Originally Posted by MarkSheppard

Unit 008, M4A3

Winter icon (3496) does not seem to be a M4A3. Shape of the engine deck does not match summer (1086) and desert (1065) icons for M4A3.

Apparently it was longer M4A4. Good eye

While checking new icons, I've accidentally found, that 37mm AT guns start 2 or 3 years too early:

Units 39, 96, 97 37mm AT-Gun (available from 1/38) - according to Osprey New Vanguard 107 'US anti-tank artillery 1941-45', "The US Army did not field a dedicated anti-tank gun until 1940." 37mm M3 gun was approved only in 12/38, but "Production of the 37mm anti-tank gun began slowly in the winter of 1940". 340 only were made in 1940 and "As the 37mm anti-tank gun became available in quantity in 1941 it began to replace the .50-cal. heavy machine gun in US Army infantry divisions.". Same info in Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/37_mm_Gun_M3

There is no info, when M51 APC was commissioned, but now a better round starts with M5 weapon from 1/40 (when the guns weren't even ready), so there might be no justification for two weapons, and it should be just M3 gun with better AP ammo (designation M5 is of course wrong for towed gun).

Same for 147, 150, 210 37mm AT-Gun [light AT gun]. They should receive new icon 8038 as well.

Same for USMC regarding dates and weapons (and icons of units 275, 276). (And as for icon, same for Chinese unit 62)

Unit 116 75mm M1916 Bty - photo is apparently 75mm M1897, it should be 9399 (of unit 423)

Unit 240 Light Tank M3A1 - still in use at Kasserine Pass (2/43) - I guess until the end of Tunesian campaign (now ends at 12/42).


348 Armoured Jeep - maybe a hull rear should not be armoured (ordinary tin body at the rear) - possibly also hull sides (unarmoured engine compartment)?

366 T25E1 Scout Car - this vehicle seems not used and redundant - T25 armoured jeep program was cancelled, after trying numerous models. Field armour kits were later used instead. It's the only unit of its class, used in formation 396 "Armoured jeep". In fact, there is already unit 348 Armoured Jeep (scout vehicle class).

Some units, like the 60th Inf. Rgt in Ardennes, used armoured jeeps with two bazookas mounted (http://articles.warlordgames.com/hob...ep-conversion/)


Unit 410 75mm M1897 Bty - photo is French strange modified variant of 75mm - better is 8526 (used currently for US M1916). Or there could be found a photo with US M2 split trail carriage.

Same for unit 422. It still uses old 56 icon, maybe it should be given some newer one, eg. 2164?


423 75mm M1916 FG - I suggest a shorter barrel icon 2163 is more appropriate (only L/28)

424 75mm M1917 FG - according to Chamberlain/Gander, used in Philippine campaign (by 5/42, now 12/41)

465,466 37mm M17 AT-Gun - the gun was named M1916, as well as its weapon (http://www.forgottenweapons.com/m1916-37mm-gun/). Proper icon is 8033 (current is modern M3 gun).

Same for USMC units 222,223,274

It's worth to add Dodge 3/4t, eg. Polish LWP #179, photo eg. 19037. Best icon might be 161.

That's all from my side

[Pibwl]

Maybe I'll finish with USMC here, because it's largely the same:

30 75mm Howitzer - M1A1 pack howitzer usually uses icon 2111 (like units 123-125) (drawing: https://www.tauniverse.com/forum/att...1&d=1189101831)

145,146 75mm Abn PH - the same as above (wrong twin trail icon besides)

380 75mm M1897 FG - I don't know if the Marines used more modern split trail M2 carriages, but in that case a better icon would be 2164

381 75mm M1916 FG - I suggest a shorter barrel icon 2163

386 75mm M1916 Bty - photo is M1897, correct is 9399

That's all.

[DRG]

you're like that house party guest who never knows when to go home.......

I have MORE than enough work to do on these games this year and you are draining my enthusiasm away ESPECIALLY this endless nitpicking over trivial Gun Icon changes.....

so yes....."That's all" I want to hear from you

[Pibwl]

If there has been introduced new set of realistic icons 8000+, why not use them in all appropriate cases?... And you have a sucker, who wants to check them and pick best ones. I don't know about the others, but when I play, I like to look at more realistic gun in my lines, rather than at SP-1 vintage symbol. I'm not complaining "that gun didn't look like that, you should draw an icon", but I give you a number ready on a plate. By the way, there are lacking good icons of simple guns with a single narrow trail, like 75mm Mle.1897 and a majority of WW1-vintage single-trail guns - but I'm just trying to find something, that fits best.

[DRG]

8017.......NOW--------Take the hint Michal