Patriot SAM poor performance

[Mobhack]

In your original post, you were firing at planes with only 1 EW level below the SAM's. EW level is a major factor, if one side has a signifigant differential - and 1 level of EW different aint so. If the SAM has maybe 3 levels of difference or more it will do much better (or conversly the other way if the plane has the higher differential).

Area SAM ae a useful thing to engage stand-off planes, less so against planes that come in over the map and helicopters. So for myself, I tend to invest in ZSU systems, or short range missiles like Rapier. SPAAA gun-based systems can also contribute to the land battle if necessary, whereas SAM (other than the Canadian ADATS) cannot.

As to the aircraft armour changes, that was changed a few releases ago. Check the release notes (found in the game guide) for details. Specifically, bullet point 26 of release 12.

[Isto]

Oh nice, thank you.

Why does kub and krub perform so good then, they have lower EW ?

Still believe on patriot.

Patriots seem to shoot EW 8 planes on map better than against stand offs. They usually respond on map, but almost never against stand off. The usual drill is that planes shoot their misile loadout against zero response and patriot shoots only after the plane enters the map to shoot with gatling. Then they almost always do respond but sometimes not.

[Imp]

Couple of points
Firstly are the planes that fire first SEAD planes, they would detect the Patriot without it firing a shot?


EW rating does not guarantee a hit just improves the chance. The bigger the difference the bigger the improvement so just like most equipment older stuff with low EW ratings are in trouble.

Handling air in MBT is problematic anyway the planes already run the gauntlet Area Sam's should have taken them out long before they reached the map you are now in the domain of other Sam units that should protect the Area Sam's.

The game may in a roundabout way be fairly accurate if they made it that close its probably due to poor radar coverage because of terrain & the guys manning the Sam are probably bricking it by now.

The US has a problem in that it relies on the air force to stop the planes backed up by the Patriot where as the likes of Russia have several different units to form a layered defence.

I would guess none of the systems work as well as advertised against a modern aircraft let alone drones & missiles.

[retiredgysgt]

The few times I have fired a sead at an air defense unit they shut down their radar as you fire which generally lowers the chance for a hit.

[Mobhack]

what is kub and krub? - please provide OOB, unit numbers so I can find these.

Found that in the Russian OOB.

The missiles have equivalent accuracy and range, Patriot has a larger warhead and less minimum range. The launch units, the Patriot has better radar and EW.

Therefore Patriot will be dong better at shooting planes down than the kub, given a decent sample set of firings.

[Isto]

They are famous russian systems developed in 70s. Codename kvadrat and so.

Maybe nato calls them gainful.

[Mobhack]

I work on NATO reporting names, so I know what a Sunburn or SS-N-22 is, not some other name.

[Aeraaa]

^In addition to that, there's the rather obvious detail that you cannot perform your duty/mission while you're dead (or shot down, which is the same for all intents or purposes). So, if you've encountered stronger resistance than expected, retreating is the most sane thing to do.

That isn't to say that retreating does not entail danger of its own. I mean yeah, you CAN potentially be held accountable for not completing your mission depending on the army you serve, the attitude of your superior officer etc. However, few nations are willing to expend pilots for a successful mission. After all, planes can be send to battle again if they are still flyable.

[Suhiir]

Yep.
Did Gulf I myself and until a week or so before the ground phase kicked off I was expecting 50ish% casualties from mostly the chemical threat. But luckily I was working Intel at the time and dealing with the Iraqi deserters and satellite footage of chemicals being shipped back to Iraq from Kuwait thus knew the casualties wouldn't nearly that bad. But damn few others had the luxury of being in a position that allowed them to know what I did.

The days of throwing bodies at a problem are over for most people. Even the Chinese make sure their people have decent equipment, if not training, to much political indoctrination.

[DRG]

The change to 4 ROF I made helps. I have no idea why they were set to 2 when other SAMS have a ROF that equal their missile count so now they match the others which gives more opportunities to hit and that is the last OOB change I am making and code work ended 2 weeks ago