New GOLD game of paranoia over at PBW - Page 2

Arak Koba · #11 March 21st, 2002, 03:14 PM

If you don't know who your target empire is, and someone else inadvertantly destroys that empire for you, do you win anyhow?

dumbluck · #12 March 21st, 2002, 03:58 PM

Personally, I think the victory conditions should be the first empire to be destroyed by it's designated "hunter" empire, not just the first empire to die. Too bad I don't have time to put another game on my schedule, this sounds like fun!

T.A.G. anyone?

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Suicide Junkie · #13 March 21st, 2002, 04:16 PM

You would have to add a rule saying that if you killed off a race that was NOT your target, you die, and the player hunting you wins.

Otherwise, if someone else kills off your prey, there is no way for you to win anymore.

Bman · #14 March 21st, 2002, 04:29 PM

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Originally posted by Arak Koba:
If you don't know who your target empire is, and someone else inadvertantly destroys that empire for you, do you win anyhow?

Each player will know their target. What is up for discussion is whether all the *other* players will know everyone else's targets so everyone knows who is after whom. Right now the voting in the game forum is leaning towards keeping this information private.

My thinking was that the game is over once the first empire dies. If someone else kills your target then you win. If you kill your target then you win. The moral of this is do not go around killing all the other empires that stand between you and your target or you will inadvertantly give someone else the win.

Bman · #15 March 21st, 2002, 04:33 PM

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Originally posted by dumbluck:
Personally, I think the victory conditions should be the first empire to be destroyed by it's designated "hunter" empire, not just the first empire to die. Too bad I don't have time to put another game on my schedule, this sounds like fun!

The problem with this scenario of course is that it degenerates into a normal game: There is no penalty for you killing off non-targets. In fact, the more non-targets you kill, the better your chances of winning.

And also as you assign the targets from the dead empires, you end up with the very likely scenario of someone eventually ending up with themselves as their target. What then?

Bman · #16 March 21st, 2002, 04:36 PM

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Originally posted by askan:
No permanent alliances?
No full co-operation?
Backstabbing?

I like it.

Askan

PS. What would be even more nasty would be no trades of anything at all. That way if one of the non-targets is about to die your gonna have to come with direct military aide, not hiding a moon somewhere in your vast expanse.

That's a good idea. I haven't made a game in a while. I do not remember if there is an option to turn off ALL TRADING. Or at least trading of planets.

It might require the honor system to enforce.

In any case I will put it to the vote in the game forum whether people want to disallow gifting/trading of planets.

Bman · #17 March 21st, 2002, 04:37 PM

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Originally posted by Sinapus:

An old role-playing game called PARANOIA!

Yes, I've heard of the game of course, since that is where I came up with the name for this game. But I've never played it. So I don't know anything about its setting. Somehow I doubt it had Meson BLasters in it though...

Bman · #18 March 21st, 2002, 04:42 PM

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Originally posted by PvK:
What's going to determine when an empire is knocked out? Do they have to have a populated colony somewhere?

In the Universe Cup discussion, it was brought up that the game may consider an empire still to exist, even if all it has is a mine hiding somewhere...

Hmmm...I naively thought an empire was marked dead when their ships and planets were destroyed. I suppose we better call it over the turn an empire owns no more colonies so it does not turn into a frustrating hunt for the Last mine. Of course, there is no way to determine this when we cannot see each others scores...Any ideas?

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Edit: Oh, and are planet gifts going to be allowed, so if race Z is about to bite it, other players can donate more planets to them?

I put it to the vote in the game forum...

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geoschmo · #19 March 21st, 2002, 04:59 PM

I doubt anyone would try to pull a cheesy stunt like saying they were still in the game, even though all they had was some mines and sats laying around. But if you suspect it you can always have someone check it for you.

Geo

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PvK · #20 March 21st, 2002, 11:59 PM

I just wanted to know what the rule would be for this game. I don't think anyone will lie about having been wiped out, but the definition of being dead could be many different things, especially if trading of planets (or even colony ships with population) is allowed.

It could be any combination of:

You must have population under your control.
You must have population of your original type under your control.
You must have a ship under your control.
You must have a (populated?) colony under your control.

PvK