Psychology NOT religion

[Kamog]

OK, I got here by clicking on the link you provided in the Lurker Report thread.

No, I'm not a member of IAMP. Thanks, mlmbd , I'll check out those books by Dyson you recommended! I love physics...

[mlmbd]

As do I. Herr Kamog, as do I!

mlmbd

[President_Elect_Shang]

Originally posted by Taz-in-Space:

quote:

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"and have their legs and necks chained so that they cannot move, and can only see before them, being prevented by the chains from turning round their heads." Plato

Wasn't Plato a teacher? Sounds like maybe he was!

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Umm, did I come into this reply late or what?
Yes, He was a teacher.

[President_Elect_Shang]

Originally posted by Kamog:
That is refering to a story in which there are prisoners chained up inside a dark cave. They are in a position in which they can only see shadows on the wall when some people from the outside walk past, carrying treasures. One day, one of the prisoners breaks free and sees the outside world for the first time. When he returns to the cave to tell the other prisoners, they think he's crazy.

... or something like that.

It is taking from the Allegory of the Cave.
I think every one should read it, think on it, then read it again. These are words (sometimes difficult to follow) that still hold truth in our modern age of "knowledge" and "enlightenment".

[President_Elect_Shang]

Originally posted by Kamog:
My favorite physicist is Richard P. Feynman. He won the Nobel Prize in 1965 for his work in quantum electrodynamics.

Like many great thinkers, Feynman was very well rounded. Not only did he study other areas of science such as chemistry and biology, he painted and played drums and other musical instruments.

His book, "Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman!" is a fascinating and very entertaining book. I highly recommend it.

Mine would have to be B.F. Skinner. Ops, sorry that's psychology.


[ November 30, 2002, 05:39: Message edited by: President Elect Shang ]

[Kamog]

Originally posted by President Elect Shang:
It is taking from the Allegory of the Cave.
I think every one should read it, think on it, then read it again. These are words (sometimes difficult to follow) that still hold truth in our modern age of "knowledge" and "enlightenment".

OK, I'll read it...
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[Socrates] AND NOW, I SAID, let me show in a figure how far our nature is enlightened or unenlightened: BEHOLD! HUMAN BEINGS living in an underground den, which has a mouth open toward the light and reaching all along the den; here they have been from their childhood, and have their legs and necks chained so that they cannot move, and can only see before them, being prevented by the chains from turning round their heads. Above and behind them a fire is blazing at a distance, and between the fire and the prisoners there is a raised way; and you will see, if you look, a low wall built along the way, like the screen which marionette? players have in front of them, over which they show the puppets.
[Glaucon] I see.
[Socrates] AND DO YOU SEE, I said, men passing along the wall carrying all sorts of vessels, and statues and figures of animals made of wood and stone and various materials, which appear over the wall? Some of them are talking, others silent.
[Glaucon] YOU HAVE SHOWN ME a strange image, and they are strange prisoners.
[Socrates] LIKE OURSELVES, I replied; and they see only their own shadows, or the shadows of one another, which the fire throws on the opposite wall of the cave?
[Glaucon] TRUE, HE SAID; how could they see anything but the shadows if they were never allowed to move their heads?
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This is long. Get the rest from here: http://www.geocities.com/lucid_dawn/cave.html

[President_Elect_Shang]

The sight I pulled it from was:

http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/GREECE/ALLEGORY.HTM

Hope that hyperlinks auto.

By a show of hands (ha) how many people would say that we [Homo Saipen Saipen] are for the most part xenophobic. Answer carefully becouse I have the ultamite can of worms that I have wanted to pop the lid open on in this forum. Maybe I should just leave this one alone? Um?

[Kamog]

OK, I say that humans are for the most part NOT xenophobic.

...what is this can of worms you mentioned?

[President_Elect_Shang]

I'm gonna let that one slide for now, put the ole can back on the shelf so to speak. Let's kill this topic my friends.

[mlmbd]

KILL IT! We were having a perfectly nice discussion about Physics and Physicists. Until YOU came along!

mlmbd