MP: Chlorolera is made of contagious and deadly!

[DonCorazon]

Incabulos, no, nobody does that. You can attack someone whenever you want if you don't have a NAP. In my case, I had a NAP and gave notice.

Anyway, I agree VPs are too low, but the line has been visible on the graph all game. The thing that has surprised me is how fast Shin has risen and how nobody has organized against him. In most games, a nation with a similar trajectory would have a rapid downfall as their neighbors organized against him. Here it just seems his rise and the low VP threshold is being lamented, but no action is being taken.

[Jazzepi]

Originally Posted by DonCorazon

Incabulos, no, nobody does that. You can attack someone whenever you want if you don't have a NAP. In my case, I had a NAP and gave notice.

Anyway, I agree VPs are too low, but the line has been visible on the graph all game. The thing that has surprised me is how fast Shin has risen and how nobody has organized against him. In most games, a nation with a similar trajectory would have a rapid downfall as their neighbors organized against him. Here it just seems his rise and the low VP threshold is being lamented, but no action is being taken.

I live on the other side of the freaking world. :|

Jazzepi

[cleveland]

Machaka declares war on Shinuyama!

BillyWitchDoctor.com kindly request coordinates to the Shinuyaman citadel. And satellite imagery, if possible.

[Pelthin]

Speaking as one who has already been declared taken over by someone (I am MAN).

I got beat up by Ashdod, but am now holding my own. I havea NAP with Shin, so I would have 5 turns to build up a force to deal with him if need be.

Also my partner in crime has been very forthcoming with information to help with my war against, Ashdod, so I think before you all think that this game is all but won, sit back and give it a play and see what happens.

I know Man is not very impressive on the graphs, but I have land in front of me to take, once I get rid of those silly Giant leaders in my front yard, and do not plan to roll over.

[AdmiralZhao]

Contrary to my earlier joking, I would agree with Pelthin. I'm still looking at two Ashdod armies of 400+ units, they still have complete control of their capital, and they are still making an SC per turn. It would be nice if we could put down one threat (Ashdod) before starting the ritual drawing and quartering of the next threat (Shinuyama).

As to the comment about why people haven't ganged up on rising leaders, I would say that they have, since that is what I, Man, and others did to Ashdod. And as you have seen, it is thankless work, and likely to lead to your death either from the original threat or from the nations you are trying to save. It now looks like the spiders that we so doted on, that we sent so many lovingly prepared care packages, are now turning their many, many eyes away from us. I think that truly hurts worst of all.

Honestly, all that a dis-illusioned Shinuyama wants to do at this point is retire in peace back to the farm, having done its part to save the greater community of nations. We'll even go further than our previous guarantee, and will leave Ashdod in possession of its Mictlan holdings and all its other territory in the west. That will quickly level off the province graphs you are so worried about, even if I am successful against Ashdod.

[DonCorazon]

Provinces mean little other than the gems (and to a lesser extent income) they produce - that's what makes the philosophers wet themselves when they gaze east.

Speaking of which, the White Tower has recently endorsed Vine Shields as the shield of choice for our thugs and seeks some nature gems. We can trade a mix of W/F/E/D gems in exchange. We are also offering Construction 6 abilities to all who seek our masterful works. We only charge MSRP + 2 gems.

[JimMorrison]

Originally Posted by DonCorazon

The thing that has surprised me is how fast Shin has risen and how nobody has organized against him. In most games, a nation with a similar trajectory would have a rapid downfall as their neighbors organized against him.

Well after I took Arco's capital, I was going to gear up and go after Shinuyama, actually.

Our original agreement was that I spare your nation, in exchange for military cooperation against the ogres.

At the last moment, as my NAP with Shinuyama expired, and I asked you where the heck your troops were, you stated that your initial thrust had failed, and that you wanted to back out of the war.

This was turn 18 IIRC.

< shrug > You managed to diplomatically keep me from annexing a second capital early in the game, by agreeing to a war against the frontrunner (Shinuyama), which you then backed out of, condemning Bandar to a game of turtling, which you then cut short by allying with our other proposed enemy, whilst complaining that no one is fighting against Shinuyama.

Blah blah blah, right?

[cleveland]

Originally Posted by AdmiralZhao

It now looks like the spiders that we so doted on, that we sent so many lovingly prepared care packages, are now turning their many, many eyes away from us. I think that truly hurts worst of all.

No need to take it personally. We Machakans plan to declare war on everyone, eventually.

p.s. When the fate of the universe is decided, you MUST give us your giant recipe! Was that coriander? Our black hunters swore they tasted coriander.

[DonCorazon]

Originally Posted by JimMorrison

Blah blah blah, right?

Perhaps another perspective would be useful:

Bandar rushed our capital. Never took it. Elephant vs. elephant. Bandar had more but ours were home garrison, friendly dominion and his would be enemy dominion and general low morale impacting both. Either elephants could turn on a dime (read bad DRN) We had researched up the Thaum ladder with an awake pretender and felt we would wipe out Bandar if our mages could survive long enough. I honestly wasnt't sure who would win. We felt a battle between us would be mutually destructive and seemed like a total gamble. If you lost you'd basically be out of the game. That is not how I like to play. I don't play in 50 games and just roll the dice and then go AI or quit in games where my gambles don't work out. I play till the end in every game. Even when it seems like I am going to lose, as in this game, I don't just quit or suggest its not worth the time to take my turns....

Anyhoo, I asked for a NAP and said we should focus on the leader -Shin. Bandar agreed. I avoided signing a NAP with Shin and attacked what had been 2 undefended provinces. Apparently, Shin somehow learned of my attack and moved troops in. I lost both fights b/c his PD and troops skyrocketed in between turns (apparently there was a leak in someone's embassy or the Admiral has my apartment bugged). At that point, I didn't have much to attack with but still refused Shin's offer to both sign a NAP and give me land, as this would violate the spirit of my agreement with Bandar. Granted I couldn't do much offensively til I re-built my forces. Nevertheless, I can say Arcos attacked 2 Shin provinces this game, 2 more than Bandar ever did. Bandar then agreed to Shin's offer to a NAP. After that Arcos signed a NAP with Shin.

We had no more dealings with Bandar for many turns. Then, Arcos cancelled our NAP with Bandar. No big deal in our minds since all nations must fight one another at some point and all NAPs must come to an end.

[Pelthin]

Well I must say this is a very fun game. I love the banter on the forums and the general amount of mayhem in game.

Frankly, I have been getting my butt kicked as Man, but I love this nation. It has a little of everything, and I just have to balance my arrows with some power.

Hopefully the war rages on and we can see who will reign supreme.

Okay I stole that last line from Iron Chef.