what about the future?

[Fantomen]

Originally Posted by HoneyBadger

If only everyone could learn from their mistakes, and adjust their behavior appropriately, then noone would ever have to be banned. We all make mistakes, as human beings, afterall.

Philosophically speaking, it's when we won't admit that we're wrong and refuse to learn from our mistakes, and then try to incorporate those errors into an idealogy and movement, and when those movements then gain momentum, that problems arise (the Nazi party, etc.).

Well, that's pretty much exactly what many people are trying to tell Shrapnel, isn't it?

But yeah, I also get what WL is saying, enough is enough for now.

[HoneyBadger]

I disagree that trying to maintain order and politeness, as professionals trying to run a business, and then enforcing that, in a professional way, translates in any way to a state of fascism.

If someone comes into a store, and starts harassing the clerks, knocking over displays, and chasing away customers, how is the store manager supposed to react? How would you react, if you were that manager? If that store is what fed your family? Who's supposed "rights" would you put first: the harasser, or yourself and your employees and your customers?

And if your store is knocked over the first time, will you wait passively for it to happen again, or will you take steps to protect and secure your business, even if it means a more disciplined environment than you've had in the past?

Shrapnel is reacting. That's the moral difference here, as I see it.

[Fantomen]

Originally Posted by HoneyBadger

I disagree that trying to maintain order and politeness, as professionals trying to run a business, and then enforcing that, in a professional way, translates in any way to a state of fascism.

Who is saying that? Who are you disagreeing with?

[Wrana]

Bah! A completely new term - passive agression!
Congratulations, Squirrel! :P

[WraithLord]

Being the ignorant man that I am I learned a number of new terms from Squirrelloid & Soyweiser. Amongst which are: passive-aggressive behavior (damn, so every time I sulk I'm being P.A. ) & ad hominem.

Bah, you can't believe anything Soyweiser says since he's never been to gaming conventions and has a scary avatar to boot

[Edi]

Wow, reading the entire thread starting from scratch was a pretty daunting task. Had to skimread some parts just to get to the end.

Just try to keep personal drama and vendettas out of this thread.

[Soyweiser]

Originally Posted by WraithLord

Bah, you can't believe anything Soyweiser says

That one is true.

Originally Posted by WraithLord

he's never been to gaming conventions

I never said that.

[Eximius Sus]

Originally Posted by Fantomen

Who is saying that? Who are you disagreeing with?

Wow, I had to read that sentence 5 times. It's still very confusing. I agree with Fantomen. Who exactly are you talking to?

I liked that movie with the "V"

[HoneyBadger]

I was replying to Fantomen (which should be pretty clear, as his is the above post), rereferencing, and then inverting, my own quote, to make it clear that it wasn't seriously applicable to Shrapnel Games.

"Fascism" = the mentioned Nazi party.

Appologies for any confusion, but I didn't find it difficult to read or understand, even after rereading it several times.

[Fantomen]

Ah, well. It was more the "learning from mistakes etc..." part I wanted to borrow. I don't think Shrapnel is in any way fascist or evil, just a bit bullheaded.