APC Development and related topics.

[luigim]

Are these smoke launchers for GAZ Tigr?

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Yes. 2x2 per vehicle. Not unusual for this class of vehicle anymore.
http://www.military-today.com/apc/shorland_s55.htm
http://www.military-today.com/apc/ka...69_vystrel.htm
http://www.military-today.com/apc/vn3.htm

Regards,
Pat

[whdonnelly]

Panhard Crab.

Sounds great, except for the part about replacing heavy armor. Very enthusiastic review.
This:
"The US Army and even the USMC may also be wise to drop their heavy-weight armor obsession and take a good look at this low-slung armored chariot."

and this:

"Depending on the ammo used, the M242 can knock out main battle tanks at relevant ranges (Bradley Fighting Vehicles equipped with same cannon were known to knock out T-72s during operations in Iraq)."

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/pan...t-v-1581746120

[Suhiir]

Originally Posted by whdonnelly

Panhard Crab.
This:
"The US Army and even the USMC may also be wise to drop their heavy-weight armor obsession and take a good look at this low-slung armored chariot."

and this:
"Depending on the ammo used, the M242 can knock out main battle tanks..."

I can't speak for the US Army, but the USMC has little use for a non-amphibious scout vehicle that can't carry passengers. It's a matter of their intended use. The LAI (Light Armored Infantry) battalions in the USMC perform two roles, recon and mounted infantry. Given the cargo limitations of shipping they can't afford many specialized single-function vehicles. Why they don't use SP artillery etc.

They guys I spoke to that actually shot at a T62 (not 72) during Gulf I said that while they were certain they could have eventually chiseled thru with their 25mm it would have taken long enough they didn't want to hang around for it to fire back.

[DRG]

Interesting.....

[scorpio_rocks]

My understanding was that the CRAB and its big brother the SPHINX (a much better vehicle with the 40mm CTWS) had been dismissed in favour of the Jaguar EBRC & Griffon as part of the French Scorpion EBMR program.

[whdonnelly]

I've seen reference to the Griffon reconnaissance vehicle but it appears to be larger than the CRAB. So far I'm unable too find much recent news Your guess is as good as mine.

[whdonnelly]

Perhaps the author was a fan of "The Rat Patrol" television series from the late 60s and still wonders why we don't replace tanks with jeeps carrying machine guns.

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

To the French SCORPION PROJECT like any such program, there are winners and in this case a loser. Nexter/Renault/Thales were the winners with their JAGUAR (Recon) and GRIFFON (APC) vehicles respectively. The loser was Panhard marketing the SPHINX (Recon) and CRAB (Recon) vehicles. The bids I believe were announced in mid-2009. The contract was awarded to the winners in late 2014. I should point out this is a French land vehicle modernization program, so it's about more than these vehicles. Going to my APC Folder I still have the following going back to 2010 and more, hey it's that "T" word thing ...
http://www.armyrecognition.com/frenc...ations_uk.html
http://www.janes360.com/images/asset...ernisation.pdf
http://www.armyrecognition.com/euros..._11306166.html

The following for FYI...
http://www.military-today.com/apc/panhard_sphinx.htm
http://www.military-today.com/apc/panhard_crab.htm

The winners...
http://www.armyrecognition.com/frenc...fications.html
http://www.janes.com/article/61243/e...akes-its-debut

Finally...
http://www.armyrecognition.com/frenc..._pictures.html
http://www.janes.com/article/60172/f...on-jaguar-ebrc

Panhard is seeking export orders for their two vehicles.

I hope this clears up any confusion on the matter. And be careful I just might "T"ing" you and have a folder on you as well!?! & (Right spy's do wear "shades"?)

Suhiir's point is well taken, it's bad enough we have to carry them all over the world just so we can land them somewhere to play with their toys and take out their aggression on someone because we might've kept them cooped up onboard ship for a handful of months or longer. We're not the "White Star Line" so luggage is limited to what you carry and the
"bigger stuff" better be multi-functional, tasked, operational and any such other word associated with these that I can't think of at the moment!! Bottom-line those factors are important and space is really limited on the ships. By date available...
http://www.military-today.com/navy/tarawa_class.htm
(The above are all decommissioned, however they demonstrate the USMC landing capabilities from the mid 70's on.
http://www.military-today.com/navy/w...land_class.htm
http://www.military-today.com/navy/wasp_class.htm
http://www.military-today.com/navy/s...onio_class.htm

The AMERICA Class is excluded as it's only a helo assault vessel.

Someone has to go to work later this afternoon, so good night and have a great weekend!!

Regards,
Pat

[Suhiir]

And just when you thought it was safe to get back in the water Pat ... may I introduce the L-ATV.
https://oshkoshdefense.com/vehicles/l-atv/

Apparently the replacement for the armored HMMWV starting around 2019-2020.
Major features: HMMWV speed/mobility with MRAP protection.