MP: MP Victorious Nations/Hall of Honor II [Update 15/10/2012]

[ano]

You sure those should be reported at all? There are [were, clam times] so many games that ended in draws because people got tired. Getting people/nations like 0.33 wins sounds pointless. With only 2 people left [out of bigger pool] it may make sense to give them 0.5.

That's exactly why I didn't post them before and, besides, I don't think the hall of fame reflects many things adequately. But with db it is anyway easier to maintain when all things are calculated manually.
You're right, although OTOH people made much investment in the game, plans etc, devoted much time to it and survived till the end. Is it worth some part of a win point? I think yes. So let these games be here. They both were good and dramatic.

[chrispedersen]

Oh are we updating this ...

huh.. cool.. has the Nav game been entered?

[Squirrelloid]

Originally Posted by chrispedersen

Oh are we updating this ...

huh.. cool.. has the Nav game been entered?

I'm not sure that should count, for many many reasons...

[Squirrelloid]

Winner: Squirrelloid and Valerius (Tie)
Game: Cripplefight 2: The Lamepire Strikes Back
Game Link: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=44283
Players: 8
Nation: EA Ermor / EA TNN
Mods: CBM 1.6
Era: All-Ages

(I know I posted this in the old thread, but it was among the last posts and it doesn't appear to have been added to the database)

[Hadrian_II]

Cripplefight 2 is in the db as the following entry. And it is the last entry of the db.

[
Winner: Squirrelloid,Valerius
Game: Cripple Fight 2
Game Link: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=44283
Players: 8
Nation: EA Ermor,EA Tir na n'Og
Mods: CBM,Multi Age
Era: All
]

[Zeldor]

ano:

But then we'd have to put here tens of games that ended this way. No one even bothered to report them. No one even bothered declaring top remaining players as victorious. As there was no victory. No one was able to win, nothing to talk about. And yeah, I also hate getting nothing for 50 or more turns of hard work. And games ends because people turn AI or cannot handle all that clam madness.

[ano]

Zeldor

We're observing this from different points. I just want these game not be wasted and forgotten. They both were really good and interesting. I don't aim for getting these 0.66 points at all - I could easily end at least one of them in my favor if I wanted, but I didn't, - but by mentioning them here I just want them to be remembered somehow by people who participated. Nothing more.
As I mentioned above, I didn't post them before due to your reasons but after WL introduced this db-maintained HoF, I don't think it's bad if they are here
I don't think this is a correct thread for discussions so if you have something to add, please PM me.

[Zeldor]

ano:

I'm not saying that it should not be listed. But I wouldn't call it wins for players or nations. We can just have separate section for that, not counting towards anything. Otherwise it would be changing rules of HoF now. And people could start digging out games and declaring 0.33 wins etc. I'd find 3 or 4 games like that.
And yeah, enough talking, HoF maintainer should decide about it really

[WraithLord]

Well, IMO a 2 man tie should count as win when each player get 0.5 points.
On the rarest of occasions, like on huge maps, a 3 man tie should count as well as win
More than 3 way tie shouldn't count at all as win and should probably not be reported as well.

Now, since the first and third sentences were definitives while the 2nd is not and can cause lot's of discussions and arguments I suggest we just stick to a simple rule re. ties: 2 man ties count towards victory while 3 or more man ties should only be listed but not counted as victories. There's an added benefit to this rule - more incentive for players to actually finish a game rather than end it by a coalition.

ano, most likely you'll disagree with me. That's ok since I'm not really adamant on this. As far as I care we can do it your way or Zeldor's way (although I'm personally leaning more towards Zeldor's view).
Anyway, perhaps you can post a poll that presents this dilemma so we can see what the community thinks. If the majority of the players agree with you then naturally I'll maintain the HoF that way.
I'll do so although I think this may have a negative effect on future games - like "oh, let's work the four of us together to eliminate all else; good, they're all gone, now what?- Fight it out?- Nah, let's just call it a tie and start a new game hehe"

Oh and I'm not at all implying the games you reported were anything of this sort. I know how good & competitive a player you are. I'm only presenting my concern of possible future multi-tie-spam games. Or perhaps I'm just being paranoid

[ano]

Ok, WL, you have the point. Remove these games