Historical Theatre of Operation: Locations

[Boonierat]

1969
4 Feb.-19 Apr. Op.Cheyenne Sabre, 3d Bde, 1st Cav search and destroy operation northeast of Bien Hoa to straddle and cut enemy infiltration routes.
14 Feb.-28 Mar. Op. Navajo Warhorse II, 1/5, 2/5, 2/8 (1st Cav) clear and search in Tay Ninh, Hau Nghia and Kien Tuong provinces
16 Feb.-31 Oct. Op.Toan Thang III, 1/8, 5/7, 2/12 (1st Cav); 1st Inf; 25th Inf; 3d Bde, 9th Inf Saigon security operations in III CTZ
8 Mar. Battle of LZ Grant, 1/12 Cav defends the LZ located 17 miles NE of Tay Ninh city
18 Mar.-2 Apr. Op.Atlas Wedge: 3d Bde, 1st Inf; 11th ACR; 25th Inf; 1/5 (1st Cav) clear and search in Michelin plantation
29 Mar.-23 Jun. Op.Montana Scout, 2/5, 2/8, 2/12 (1st Cav) operation along the southern frontier of War Zone C in Tay Ninh province
12 Apr.-14 May Op.Montana Raider I/II/III, 1/8, 1/9, 2/7 (1st Cav) and 11th ACR from Dau Tieng to Quan Loi on a series of coordinated search operations designed to destroy the NVA support and supply facilities along Route 13.
12 Aug. 3d Bde base at Quan Loi attacked by NVA Rgt 88 and VC Rgts 271 and 272 (Op.Toan Thang III)
12 Aug. 2/8 Cav defends LZ Becky from an attack by NVA Rgt 18 20 miles W of An Loc (Op.Toan Thang III)
1 Nov.69-May 70. Op.Toan Thang IV, 1st Cav; 1st Inf; 25th Inf; 3d Bde, 9th Inf; 5th, 18th, 25th ARVN Divisions Saigon security operations in III CTZ
4 Nov. Battle of LZ Ike, 2/5 Cav battle vs 2/271 VC (Op.Toan Thang IV)
7-9 Nov. Op. Long Reach 1st Cav, 11th ACR relief operation along Highway 14 toward Bo Duc and Bu Dop

1970
5-8 Jan. Op.Flying Finn, 2/5 Cav destruction of 2nd Bn, 95C Rgt in Tay Ninh
26 Jan.-13 Apr. 2/8, 2/12, 5/7 (1st Cav) and ARVN Airborne conduct and extended search and destroy campign near Bu Gia Map , Phuoc Long province against NVA Rgt 174 (part of Op.Toan Thang IV)
4 Feb. 1st Cav's FSB Tina in Tay Ninh province is assaulted (part of Op.Toan Thang IV)
8 Mar. C/2/8 Cav battles for FSB Carolyn (part of Op.Toan Thang IV)
29 Mar. Battle of FSB Jay (part of Op.Toan Thang IV) 2/7 Cav vs 3/95 NVA
1 Apr. Battle for SFB Illingworth (part of Op.Toan Thang IV) 2/8 Cav, A/1/11 ACR assaulted 25 miles NW of Tay Ninh
15-16 Apr. 1st Cav's FSB Atkinson in Tay Ninh province is assaulted (part of Op.Toan Thang IV)
1 May-29 Jun. Op.Dong Tien II/Thoang Thang 43, 1st Cav; 11th ACR; 1st Bde, 1st Inf and 5th ARVN, ARVN Airborne in the Fish Hook, Cambodia
6 May-27 Jun. Op.Thoang Thang 45, 1st Cav, 5/12 (199th LIB) NW of Bu Dop, Cambodia

1971
27 Sep.-2 Oct. Op.Katum, 3d Bde, 1st Cav, 2/11th ACR withdrawal of personnel from FSB Katum, Tay Ninh

[Pyros]

Stephane,

Tell me the truth...

Are you a professional Vietnam researcher?? LOL

With the progress that Boonierat is making on the historical research, soon we will enter to one of the most critical activities for the campaign...
We will choose/connect the battles/operations/locations with the evolution of the core army and we will create the Theatres of Operations.

The trick is to make a smooth evolution from smaller (core force) missions to a progressive increase.
In case of "MUST HAVE" big battle in early stages we should use AUX forces.

cheers,
Pyros

[Weasel]

WOW that is a ton of work on the 1st Cav dates; EXCELLENT job. Yeah the CAV had their thumb in every pie, plus I know they still did road security etc so you can still have ground armoured fighting too.

[Boonierat]

Pyros said:
Stephane,

Tell me the truth...

Are you a professional Vietnam researcher?? LOL

Actually I've been working on a comprehensive list of all US and allied operations in Vietnam for several years now, and I just extracted infos concerning the Cav (it needed a bit of editing though, hence the time it took to post it here)

As you can deduce from the Ops list, combat operations in Vietnam tended to decrease after 1969 as well as combat intensity, and we might encounter some problems towards the end of the campaign between 1970 and 1972 as there were fewer and fewer encounters with the enemy, unless we decide to end the campaign earlier.

[Pyros]

So, lets give the player the ability to re-write history!

At that point we are going to add the alternate history part of the campaign.
In addition we are going to allow the player to spent 100s of replacement points in order to buy new units of his choice (even tanks) and we are going to design several "what if scenarios"...
We may even oppose US forces with Chinesse or Soviet attachments!

cheers,

p.s but for the moment we should concentrate our efforts to making the connection between the evolution of the core force in relation with the definition of the theatres of Operations.
So, lets start by defining CHAPTERS (choosing specific battles of high interest).

[Boonierat]

Pyros said:
p.s but for the moment we should concentrate our efforts to making the connection between the evolution of the core force in relation with the definition of the theatres of Operations.
So, lets start by defining CHAPTERS (choosing specific battles of high interest).

Here's the official campaign denomination, might be an idea:

Advisory 15 March 1962 - 7 March 1965
Defense 8 March 1965 - 24 December 1965
Counteroffensive 25 December 1965 - 30 June 1966
Counteroffensive, Phase II 1 July 1966 - 31 May 1967
Counteroffensive, Phase III 1 June 1967 - 29 January 1968
Tet Counteroffensive 30 January 1968- 1 April 1968
Counteroffensive, Phase IV 2 April 1968 - 30 June 1968
Counteroffensive, Phase V 1 July 1968- 1 November 1968
Counteroffensive, Phase VI 2 November 1968 - 22 February 1969
Tet 69/Counteroffensive 23 February 1969 - 8 June 1969
Summer-Fall 1969 9 June 1969 - 31 October 1969
Winter-Spring 1970 1 November 1969 - 30 April 1970
Sanctuary Counteroffensive 1 May 1970 - 30 June 1970
Counteroffensive, Phase VII 1 July 1970 - 30 June 1971
Consolidation I 1 July 1971 - 30 November 1971
Consolidation II 1 December 1971 - 29 March 1972
Cease-Fire 30 March 1972 - 28 January 1973

Else I can make a simplified 1st Cav campaign chronology to show the various phases of its Vietnam service.

[Boonierat]

Some ideas for the Chapters:

-Steming the NVA: The Ia Drang valley Campaign (Sep-Dec. 1965)
-The coastal campaign: The 1st Cav in Binh Dinh province (Jan-Mar. 1966)
-Battles on two fronts: Screening the cambodian border and rooting the NVA out of Binh Dinh (Mar.-Oct.1966)
-Pacification: Taming Binh Dinh once and for all (Oct.66-Jan 1968)
-Cavalry to the rescue! Northern I Corps Tet Offensive campaign (Hue - Quang Tri - Khe Sanh - A Shau Jan.-Oct 68)
-The Cav moves South: Screening Saigon (Oct.68-May 70)
-Into the Unknown: Cambodia incursion (May-June 70)
-Stand Down and Redeployement: The final years (July 70-June 72)

[Pyros]

Stephane,

This is exactly what I have in mind!
At the same time with you I have posted this list in the script thread...LOL

Anyway, could you please take this list and create unities (ToOs...look in the terminology thread) by including historical missions on each ToOs?

Maybe we will have to merge or split any of these predefined ToOs.

cheers,

[Boonierat]

Sure, which list? the campaign designation one?

[Pyros]

Boonierat said:
Some ideas for the Chapters:

-Steming the NVA: The Ia Drang valley Campaign (Sep-Dec. 1965)
-The coastal campaign: The 1st Cav in Binh Dinh province (Jan-Mar. 1966)
-Battles on two fronts: Screening the cambodian border and rooting the NVA out of Binh Dinh (Mar.-Oct.1966)
-Pacification: Taming Binh Dinh once and for all (Oct.66-Jan 1968)
-Cavalry to the rescue! Northern I Corps Tet Offensive campaign (Hue - Quang Tri - Khe Sanh - A Shau Jan.-Oct 68)
-The Cav moves South: Screening Saigon (Oct.68-May 70)
-Into the Unknown: Cambodia incursion (May-June 70)
-Stand Down and Redeployement: The final years (July 70-June 72)

These are great for ToOs
The chapters will be included in the ToOs.
The only difference should be that instead ending with "the final years" we will continue with the Alternate history!

Stephane by using the ToOs could you please create Chapters (Chapter include a mission type).
So for example in the first ToO: -Steming the NVA: The Ia Drang valley Campaign (Sep-Dec. 1965)

How many and what kind of chapters, may we include?
You should consider that the core force during this ToO will have the size of 2-3 platoons; we may use several AUX elements, but with such a small core force we should be able to play some special missions like the one you have suggested (for the crushed helicopter)

cheers,