Real World Philospohy

[Fyron]

And about that science bit... more mysteries of the universe are solved with each passing decade. It is only a matter of time. Could be many 1000s of years before we can find a practical way to get to other places than Sol (assuming that is even possible), but it will eventually be done.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

science has a lot of guesswork, scientists are priests. you speculate on the the nature of the microwave background, when as far as i know, we still havn't >taken a sample from another planet in our own solar system.<

getting answer's from a diety has no holes in it.

[ November 06, 2003, 04:38: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

[Taz-in-Space]

posted by Narf:

*whacks Taz with the analogy*

Oww! That hurts!
Taz grabs the analogy - 'Bite' log 'chew'
And hits Narf with the remaining LOG!

Posted by Fyron:

Could be many 1000s of years before we can find a practical way to get to other places than Sol (assuming that is even possible), but it will eventually be done.

Some scientists say we could visit the nearer solar neighbors NOW.
(It would just take decades, and require a MASSIVE global effort!)

[Atrocities]

God is not a good nice God, he is a evil dark lord that rules our minds, mythos, and history with an iron fist of hatred, war, death, and vengance. Our lot for killing his only son is to live our lives knowning that we will one day die.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

no, humans do the war, killing and misery.

people say 'why doesn't God stop it?' but they don't realize the choices are slavery or free will. that's it.

oh, and death isn't as scary once you know it's not the end. in fact, i think i'll enjoy life more once i'm dead. no more aching back, no more aching feet.

[ November 06, 2003, 05:20: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

[Jack Simth]

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
ah, but if God tells you something, it isn't an assumption.

I said they all rest on an assumption somewhere - I didn't say where. Tell me - why should God's word be authoritative on the question of ethics? Don't get me wrong, it is - but why is it? For that matter, it is an assumption that good is inherently better than bad, or that better is something that should be sought, or ... - there are a zillion of them.

Originally posted by Loser:
Really?
Do you go with them all the way?

Lutheran - expanded Version, encompassing data from the rest of the Bible as well as just those two sections in Exodus 20 and Deutoronomy 5.

Originally posted by Loser:

What about "Thou Shalt Not Kill"?
Vegan?

Technically, plants are alive, so when you eat them, you kill them. Fortunately, it's "Thou shalt not murder" not thou shalt not kill. There is a considerable difference.

Originally posted by Loser:

Or "Remember the Sabath and Keep It Holy"?
Does one do nothing on Saturdays? Not use computers, or do math, or anything that could be 'work'?

Ever read Mark 2:27?

Originally posted by Loser:

Or (losing the exactness on this one) "No Graven Images and Stuff"?
Wouldn't that count photographs and even the image on a computer or television screen?
It would at least count 'action figures' and a large number of salt and pepper shakers.
They're even shaped like cows sometimes.

It's idol, not image; the key difference between an idol and your list is worshiping.

Originally posted by Loser:

I try to live my life around forgiveness: Don't hold anything agaisnt anyone else; Don't hold things against yourself. Basically "Don't Be Hurt", which is not the same a "Don't Get Hurt" becuase that gets you nowhere fast. "Don't Get Hurt" sucks.

Guilt and Grudge are both burdens that prevent you from enjoying life or even living the life you'd like to live, from being the person you wish you were. This doens't mean that you shouldn't learn from your mistakes, or that you should let another wrong you again and again. It's more about the attitude you have toward the past.

Quite accurate; interestingly, the Ten commandments say absolutely nothing about revenge - directly, at least. The New Testament, and many places in the Old Testament, speak much of forgiveness. The Ten Commandments are the standard I try to measure actions by; after all, any system of ethics is primarily concerned with deciding "ought" and "ought nots".

[ November 06, 2003, 05:32: Message edited by: Jack Simth ]

[narf poit chez BOOM]

I said they all rest on an assumption somewhere - I didn't say where. Tell me - why should God's word be authoritative on the question of ethics? Don't get me wrong, it is - but why is it? For that matter, it is an assumption that good is inherently better than bad, or that better is something that should be sought, or ... - there are a zillion of them.

first question - answer's from God are athorative. can't explain it any better than that. second. good doesn't want you to die wailing in dispair. third. better is better. explains itself.

and now i must sleep.

[ November 06, 2003, 05:43: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

[Jack Simth]

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
first question - answer's from God are athorative. can't explain it any better than that.

A variation on "it just is" - one of the ways of identifing an underlying assumption. Don't get me wrong, the assumption is correct - but that can't be proven this side of Doomsday, so it remains an assumption for the duration.

Assumptions aren't inherently a bad thing. They are ultimately all any string of reasoning or logic has to rest on.

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
second. good doesn't want you to die wailing in dispair.

That just leaves another why: Why should dying while wailing in dispair be something to be avoided? Don't get me wrong, it is something to be avoided; but sooner or later (if the chain is not infinite) there that chain can be followed back to a "feelings" argument, a circular argument, a variation on "it just is", or an an out and out assumption. All of the four classifications of possible eventuals are assumptions, of one guise or another.

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
third. better is better. explains itself.

Another variation on "it just is". Don't get me wrong - you are correct that better is better; but why better should be sought? That's a different question. There are some philosophies out there - of the fate variety, usually - that don't advocate seeking better as there is exactly nothing you can actually do to influence events. Mind you, they are wrong, and you are right, but that can't be proven.

I'm in an odd mood today....

[Atrocities]

People spend their lives wondering why and what if. They hide, they duck, they go on wishing for good luck. But in time the dime is dropped and all that was twas no more. The joke is on us, and no matter how much we ignor the truth of our lives, in the end all that will matter is that nothing mattered at all.

[Atrocities]

The average life span of 75 years is not enough time to live an average life.