Favorite Star Trek episode

[Fyron]

DS9 was, and is in my opinion, one of the best character driven series of the franchise. I loved this show because it had dealt with deep character flaws and human emotion on a grand scale, war. It was depressing, uplifting, challenging, strange, and fun all at the same time. DS9 was also the only series to truly keep a linear story line. They had continuity throughout the seven years it ran. And no one can deny the appeal of seeing a dramatic space battle can bring to a show on the scale that DS9 had brought it to us.

Seems to me that you should love Babylon 5... much of DS9 was a ripoff of B5 in the first place...

A ship lost in space for over seven years, constantly doing battle and losing crew members should look the part. They should have concentrated on that a lot more than they had. Voyager looked brand new in the end, and despite the loose of life they had to endure throughout the series, they still managed to have nearly a full complement of crew.

You greatly underestimate the abilities of the replicator and the technology to manipulate matter on a molecular level. It would not be very hard to keep the ship looking like new when you can use a handheld device capable of repairing it (especially cosmetically) in mere seconds. Just look at the tools they have available in ST. Small little laser thingies that can patch holes in the hull, can weld dense metals together in seconds, etc.

(Trek Fans kept count and the official number of counted crew members is well over 200. Another credibility issue.)

As I have said before, this is 100% irrelevant. It would be rather difficult and a waste of money to make sure that you have all of the same extras over a 7 year period. So they used different extras over time. Big deal. Only people without anything approaching a meaningful life would care enough about the number of extras used to take the time to count them up.

The continuity issues can all be explained away with the Temporal Cold War. For in the end, Archer's adventures may not have ever happened. We won't know until the end.

That is a cheap cop-out for the crap they constantly pull with Enterprise. Don't make apologies for poor decisions of others AT.

[ January 06, 2004, 17:16: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[tesco samoa]

Over the break I finally got a chance to watch the directors Version dvd of the motion picture and wrath of Khan.

Wow were they ever fantastic....

The motion picture was redone. As was the music.

They based it on the old story Boards... The documentaries were really good.

And Khan. Well what can we say... Buried Alive...
Fantastic.

If you have been pondering picking up the director DVD's please do so.

Next up is star trek 3... Which I always felt had such a dark feeling for Star Trek. And a fantastic sound track

[Atrocities]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:

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DS9 was, and is in my opinion, one of the best character driven series of the franchise. I loved this show because it had dealt with deep character flaws and human emotion on a grand scale, war. It was depressing, uplifting, challenging, strange, and fun all at the same time. DS9 was also the only series to truly keep a linear story line. They had continuity throughout the seven years it ran. And no one can deny the appeal of seeing a dramatic space battle can bring to a show on the scale that DS9 had brought it to us.

Seems to me that you should love Babylon 5... much of DS9 was a ripoff of B5 in the first place...

Babylon 5 was written years before DS9 was ever aired so to say it copied Babylon 5 is incorrect. Great minds do think alike, and to say that Paramout copied Warner Brothers is wrong.

A ship lost in space for over seven years, constantly doing battle and losing crew members should look the part. They should have concentrated on that a lot more than they had. Voyager looked brand new in the end, and despite the loose of life they had to endure throughout the series, they still managed to have nearly a full complement of crew.[/qb]

You greatly underestimate the abilities of the replicator and the technology to manipulate matter on a molecular level. It would not be very hard to keep the ship looking like new when you can use a handheld device capable of repairing it (especially cosmetically) in mere seconds. Just look at the tools they have available in ST. Small little laser thingies that can patch holes in the hull, can weld dense metals together in seconds, etc.

They can not repulate Titanium and dura steel. Those raw materials have to be gathered, refined, and processed into usuable material. Replicators have very little if anything to do with it. And besides, Voyager never had any Industrial Replicators on board. They just had standard crew and small part replicators according to the ship schematics.

(Trek Fans kept count and the official number of counted crew members is well over 200. Another credibility issue.)

As I have said before, this is 100% irrelevant. It would be rather difficult and a waste of money to make sure that you have all of the same extras over a 7 year period. So they used different extras over time. Big deal. Only people without anything approaching a meaningful life would care enough about the number of extras used to take the time to count them up.

And as I have said nothing is irrelevant if it compermises the credibility of the show.

The continuity issues can all be explained away with the Temporal Cold War. For in the end, Archer's adventures may not have ever happened. We won't know until the end.

That is a cheap cop-out for the crap they constantly pull with Enterprise. Don't make apologies for poor decisions of others AT.

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Who's making excuses for others? This is my thoughts on how they will end the series, nothing more. No matter what I think, I know they will end the series in a comfusing, controversal, and down right dumb way. So don't chastise me for trying to come up with an intellegent way out for people who more than likely haven't thought that far ahead!

[Atrocities]

Oh don't get me wrong, I loved STMP for many years and steal feel that it was a good movie. I just didn't like the cold feel of the movie.

ST 2 - I think by far the best of the movies. I just wished that in the movie they had made a reference to that boy Scotty was holding in his arms. It was his nephew, but we were never told that in the movie.

In the extended Version of the movie they do tell you who the boy was.

ST 3 - Although not great, it was good. I just wish the trailers didn't reveal that the Enterprise was going to be destroyed. They should have kept that as much a secret as possible.

Nemoy fought the inclussion of the material showing the Enterprise being destroyed, but Paramout said it was to stay in. ST 3 was a milestone movie for many reasons. It set the Star Trek into a whole new direction and gave people hope for a new series and more movies. It was the first movie to show us the Klingon BOP, Space Dock, Sarek, Vulcan, the Excelcior, and deal with the death of the Enterprise and Kirks son.

ST 4 - I liked it. Although it did seem like an overlong commerical for Save the Whales, it had its moments.

It was a good movie, "double dumb *** on you!" But for me it was.. missing something. Albeit at the end that something was joyfully shown.

ST 5 - I agree with you on your asseessment of Shatner's directorial debut. It sucked, and it will be the only ST movie I will not buy on dvd.

The overall movie was not bad. The story was interesting and all, but man there were a lot of plot holes that should have been plugged up long before the movie ever went to production. The whole Enterprise not working and stuff could have been rewritten to say the Enterprise was in for Refit. The climb up the turbo shaft should have been left out completely. The special effects should have been handled by ILM instead of that low budge place they used. Over all the movie was not that bad. It ties in very well with Shatners books.

ST 6 - a murder mystery in space. But it was still a good movie.

Other than some minor lines about navy termenology that should have been rewritten, a few plot holes, and a lack of material the movie worked well. I loved the sound track and over all story.

ST-Gen - My jury is still out on this movie. It's ok, but maybe it was the way they killed off Kirk that made me not like it. (Personally, I always thought he'd get killed off by a jealous lover of one of his female conquests!!)

I tend to agree about the Kirk thing, but again if you read his books, his death is explained. You see great people do "die alone." (This ties back to his stayment in ST 5 about dying alone.)

ST-FC - This is another one I disagree with you on. I loved this movie, and it's my second favorite after Wrath of Kahn. I just wish they could have used the original actor for Cochrane, but I think he died quite a few years ago.

Why I hate this movie is because of the way they did it. They never explained why they sent only ONE cube to Earth, nor why they came in the first place. They had a great oppurtunity here to make the Borg into something grand, but dropped the ball horribly. The whole concept of First Contact was lame as hell, and they never did tell us how they got the Warp Ship back down to Earth?

I just simply disliked this movie because it lacked a lot of what should have been good Star Trek.

ST-I - It was ok, but it could have been better. Seemed like an overlong episode from the series, but at least Troy & Riker got back together.

I don't know why I like this movie so much. For me it must be the way it was shot. It is simply a well done movie, err two hour episode, that reminded me of why I enjoyed STNG so much as a series.

ST-N - Too many questions about this movie that made me not enjoy it. First of all, WEsley was a Traveller Last we saw, so why is he there in uniform? How did the Romulans find a imperfect copy of Data? And why kill off Data? Sure, Brent Spiner may have been tired of the role, but if this was going to be the Last film of this crew, I thought it was unnecessary.

Again this movie could have been something special but instead it became something far less than it could have become.

All in all ST II The Wrath Of Kahn holds the top honor out of the 10 movies. Why you ask? Because it is a classic good vs evil, action packed drama with history, talent, suspence and a good honest story that simply was brillant.

[oleg]

Originally posted by Atrocities:

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Seems to me that you should love Babylon 5... much of DS9 was a ripoff of B5 in the first place...

Babylon 5 was written years before DS9 was ever aired so to say it copied Babylon 5 is incorrect. Great minds do think alike, and to say that Paramout copied Warner Brothers is wrong.


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"great minds do think alike" is a great excuse for the plagiat. And that is exactly what Paramount did, IMO.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

can i get an expansion of those acronyms? i'm not to good at converting acronyms into names. thanks.

[Atrocities]

Originally posted by oleg:

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Originally posted by Atrocities:

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Seems to me that you should love Babylon 5... much of DS9 was a ripoff of B5 in the first place...

Babylon 5 was written years before DS9 was ever aired so to say it copied Babylon 5 is incorrect. Great minds do think alike, and to say that Paramout copied Warner Brothers is wrong.

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"great minds do think alike" is a great excuse for the plagiat. And that is exactly what Paramount did, IMO. [/quote]

No offense to any one implied or intended, all opinions are equal here.

There really is no connection between B5 and DS9. If you look at the stories and compare them episode to episode, there are no comparissions. The Federation never had a Civil War or a Psy Core. The only comparissions that can be made are the name Dukat, and wow, they both have a fricking space station. Whoop'd'do call the lawyers we have a lawsuit!

Seriously, B5 was the better series and we all know this. The two series were so far apart from one another that NO ONE at paramount or Warner Brothers ever said anything about the other copying anything from the other.

This comparisson is ubserd at best and ridiculous to even be discussing IMHO.

[Atrocities]

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
can i get an expansion of those acronyms? i'm not to good at converting acronyms into names. thanks.

ST 1 = (ST I) Star Trek The Motion Picture
ST 2 = (ST II) Star Trek The Wrath of Kahn
ST 3 = (ST III) Star Trek The Search For Spock
ST 4 = (ST IV) Star Trek The Voyage Home
ST 5 = (ST V) Star Trek The Final Frontier
ST 6 = (ST VI) Star Trek The Undiscovered Country
ST 7 = (ST VII) Star Trek Generations
ST 8 = (ST VIII) Star Trek First Contact
ST 9 = (ST IX) Star Trek Insurrection
ST 10 = (ST X) Star Trek Nemesis

TMP = The Motion Picture
FC = First Contact
I = Insurrection

TOS = Trek Original Series
STNG and TNG = Star Trek The Next Generation
Ent = Enterprise
DS9 = Deep Space Nine
Voy = Voyager

B5 = Babylon 5

STTMP = Star Trek The Motion Picture
STTWoK = Star Trek The Wrath Of Kahn
STTSFS = Star Trek The Search For Spock
STTVH = Star Trek The Voyage Home
STTFF = Star Trek The Final Frontier
STTUDC = Star Trek The Undiscovered Country
STG = Star Trek Generations
STFC = Star Trek First Contact
STI = Star Trek Insurrection
STN = Star Trek Nemesis

[narf poit chez BOOM]

thanks.

*join the FAAA and help end the madness! *

[oleg]

Originally posted by Atrocities:
No offense to any one implied or intended, all opinions are equal here.

There really is no connection between B5 and DS9. If you look at the stories and compare them episode to episode, there are no comparissions. The Federation never had a Civil War or a Psy Core. The only comparissions that can be made are the name Dukat, and wow, they both have a fricking space station. Whoop'd'do call the lawyers we have a lawsuit!

Seriously, B5 was the better series and we all know this. The two series were so far apart from one another that NO ONE at paramount or Warner Brothers ever said anything about the other copying anything from the other.

This comparisson is ubserd at best and ridiculous to even be discussing IMHO.

JMS himself implied that authors of DS9 plagiarized his work. Fragment of the discussion with JMS posting:
http://lists.cs.columbia.edu/piperma...ay/003950.html