New Russian OOB (or SPR OOB) - Page 3

KraMax · #21 December 4th, 2007, 01:15 PM

Sorry for my bad English.
If to you something is not clear - ask me and I will try to explain to you it more precisely.

Suhiir · #22 December 4th, 2007, 03:48 PM

I, for one, am quite interested in what you're doing.
But . . .

Quote:

KraMax said:
We have changed almost all: ... power of the weapon,...

This has me rather concerned.
I know from my work on my new USMC OOB that while many of the weapons could use a tweak or two any comprehensive modifications can cause problems as the new values may no longer be compatible with the ones in every other OOB.

Marcello · #23 December 4th, 2007, 04:18 PM

"Why you were interested by these planes?"

I am reworking the iraqi OOB and I am checking planes weapons loads. For the early planes like
MIG-15bis/MIG-17F/MIG-19S etc it is relatively easy: they have 2-4 hardpoints which can carry a very limited selection of bombs/rockets. For some others I found some typical weapons loads (for example four FAB-250 for some MIG-21 variants).
Later things get more difficult: let's make an example of my problem.
The Su-7BMK is listed to have six hardpoints, each of which in theory can carry several types of weapons (ranging from FAB-250 to S-24 rockets).
In practice however four of those hardpoints are always used for fuel tanks. So the typical payload would be limited to something like two FAB-500 or two UB-16 rocket pods.
But more capable planes like the SU-20/22 or the MIG-23BN
can carry more and different types of weapons.
Would a SU-17M3/SU-22M typically carry two rockets pods + two RBK-500 + two FAB-250 rather than two RBK-250 + four FAB-250?
What did the soviet air force arm them with usually?
I wanted to know a few typical configurations for these planes and the MIG-23BN. I will see what I can get with the automatic trsnalation.

KraMax · #24 December 5th, 2007, 12:38 AM

Suhiir
-------------------------
Thanks for the shown interest to our OOB.

Certainly we have not changed all power of the weapon. We have changed only that weapon which power has been specified wrongly. For an example:

weapon 015 RPG-2 - we have established capacity HEAT 20
weapon 019 RPG-7V - we have established capacity HEAT 50 - since it fairly.
weapon 082 4x30mm guns - we have changed 2 guns to 4 guns since this weapon cannot separately shoot and shoots on the purpose in a complex.
Etc.
Also we have worked over accuracy of our weapon according to the game formula.
Also we have worked dates of creation of the weapon and weapon receipt in armies.

At changes of these data we put before ourselves aim to make fair OOB.

We do not think that our changes will break balance of game...
Though it is final, if developers of game accept our changes, we will search for our arms in others OOBs here again at a forum to suggest to change values.

KraMax · #25 December 5th, 2007, 12:52 AM

Marcello
----------------------
Whence at you such data on SU-7BMK?
Su-7BMK - It is made on the basis of Su-7BKL. Su-7BKL - the quantity of fuel is increased, the design is changed, equipment EW etc is added.
Su-7BMK - Had 8 hardpoints. Su-7BMK - differed from Su-7BKL older equipment. The truth is written that Egyptians without the permission - modernised Su-7BMK and have increased quantity hardpoints to 8 pieces. Then the USSR and made them with 8 hardpoints = 3300 kg.
Usually on all series Su-7 - 2 fuel tanks were established only. About 4 fuel tanks I have found nothing.

KraMax · #26 December 5th, 2007, 01:07 AM

Marcello
----------------------
Planes Su-17M3.

Su-17M3 Is improved Su-17M2. Other equipment, is more than fuel.
It is written that it can to bear on itself(himself) 8 aviation bombs, everyone on 500 kg.
Also it is written that since 1981 rockets Kh-27PS, Kh-25MP, Kh-58U were typical arms of many regiments of the USSR. But always for a fighting problem planes armed with those arms which were necessary for problem performance. I am for example confident that during war in Afghanistan - these planes on armed with it rockets about which I has written, they armed with bombs, NURS etc.

Marcello · #27 December 5th, 2007, 05:55 AM

"Whence at you such data on SU-7BMK?"

A piece here and there on the internet.

"Usually on all series Su-7 - 2 fuel tanks were established only. About 4 fuel tanks I have found nothing."

I have rechecked my notes. What I found is that
fuel tanks could be carried on the two under fuselage pylons and starting from the SU-7BM even on the two inner underwing pylons. But you are correct, four fuel tanks was a "ferry" configuration and usually was not done in practice.

"Su-7BMK - Had 8 hardpoints. Su-7BMK - differed from Su-7BKL older equipment. The truth is written that Egyptians without the permission - modernised Su-7BMK and have increased quantity hardpoints to 8 pieces. Then the USSR and made them with 8 hardpoints = 3300 kg."

When was this carried out?

KraMax · #28 December 5th, 2007, 06:44 AM

First deliveries Su-7BMK were in the middle of 1966. They participated in war with Israel, the truth not successfully - from 64 planes 27 has been destroyed on the earth in the first day of war on Jule, 5th, 1967.
After that the USSR has put many these planes for Egypt (it is not specified how much precisely). With assistance of the West German firm, the Egyptian planes have been modernised and on them have established in addition 2 hardpoints. Exact date it is not informed, but it is possible to assume what is it has occurred in the end of 1967 or in the beginning to the middle of 1968 since in 1969 of the USSR also built planes with the same quantity hardpoints.

KraMax · #29 December 7th, 2007, 12:58 AM

KraMax · #30 December 8th, 2007, 05:43 AM