Any news on DOM-III

[Reverend Zombie]

Zen said:
Dominions might be superior in every aspect due to cost/effort ratio (being able to do everything it does well with only X investment of time/programming) but it doesn't erase the fact that unless Sweden changes their tax laws or Dominions 3 sells millions of units that you can't compare it to Civ4 realistically.

I think they could be realistically compared in the "how much enjoyment do I get out of one vs. the other" department.

[Zen]

It sure could. Then do it by units sold. More people (whatever their tastes) enjoy certain types of games more.

I sincerely doubt that Dominions sells on a Civilization scale. That doesn't mean it's an inferior game in any way shape or form. But that the tastes of consumers dictate how they purchase games.

Just like how some people for their TBS goodness prefer EU2 or other severely complicated games that I may not enjoy as much. I wouldn't say either way Dominions or EU2 is a better game than the other, only that one game caters to one specific subgenre of TBS and the other caters to what I enjoy in a TBS.

This is more of an industry thing I think instead of a consumer thing. A good read on this would be the Shrapnel Blog about niche games and general vs hard-core stragtegy from their perspective instead of the straight consumer end find it here

[quantum_mechani]

Reverend Zombie said:

I think they could be realistically compared in the "how much enjoyment do I get out of one vs. the other" department.

No, they can't.

I have gotten more hours of enjoyment from Dominions 2 than any other game, bar none. Civ 4 may or may not be a disappointment, but I cannot imagine it being better than dom 2, let alone dom 3.

[Reverend Zombie]

Zen said:
It sure could. Then do it by units sold. More people (whatever their tastes) enjoy certain types of games more.

A lot of people like crap. That doesn't mean it's better than something fewer people like; it means it's more popular. By that standard TV Guide is "better" than the NY Times.

Lowest common denominator and all that.

[NTJedi]

I agree with Reverend Zombie... CIV_4 is currently more popular because they have a big publisher and larger advertising budget.
Lots of gamers are afraid to purchase something over the internet as well compared with just walking into a store.

[Zen]

Everyone who likes World of Warcraft are the lowest common denominator? Or just the 90% who like crap which also includes the good 'games'.

Some people also don't like FPS, RTS, or Fantasy or Sci-Fi and it has nothing to do with them liking or not liking crap.

I have friends who I play games with who didn't enjoy Dominions 2, are they suddenly tasteless because they don't enjoy everything Dom2 has to offer?

No. Some of them don't like the pace, some of them can't get past the UI, some of them have issues with graphics, others don't enjoy some of the mechanics of the game. It has nothing to do with how good Dominions 2, but merely their preference.

I think that's why Shrapnel is what it is, the same with Matrix games and Stardock. You have to get lean, mean and approach consumers with a plan to deal with personal preference especially as a working business model.

[Zen]

NTJedi said:

I agree with Reverend Zombie... CIV_4 is currently more popular because they have a big publisher and larger advertising budget.
Lots of gamers are afraid to purchase something over the internet as well compared with just walking into a store.

I disagree. I think the reason Civ_4 will be popular because of the groundwork that was laid with Civ and Civ2 to produce a good TBS game. That being said, Civ_4 will do good or bomb on it's own merits. It does however have the benefit of being it's own IP and recognized as having the potential of being a very good game.

Dominions has this to it's own extent but not on the same level.

Just as the deal with Stardock and Master of Magic. It's brand recognition, devotion and possible success that allows the risk vs the reward so that Stardock decided to take the leap and try to make it work financially.

[Reverend Zombie]

Zen said:
Everyone who likes World of Warcraft are the lowest common denominator? Or just the 90% who like crap which also includes the good 'games'.

You seem to assume that I argue that everything that is popular is crap? Not so. But not everything wildly popular is good, either. See, Revenge of the Sith.

My point is that claiming something is "good" or "better" than something else because it is more popular is a fallacy, which is what you were doing with CiV4 vs. Dom3.

[Beorne]

Nobody mentioned Wesnoth for TBS?

[PashaDawg]

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It's fair to say that I am on the "Dominions 3 Diet". I am seeking to lose 10 pounds, and my reward will be a sassy new 20-inch IMAC. But, my DEADLINE is the release of Dominions 3, because I will need a new computer to play the new version of the game. (If I am wrong, don't correct me on the technical requirements for running DOM 3, because it would spoil everything.)

If Dominions 3 is coming out SOON, tell me now, because I will need to hop on that stairmaster more often. I might even need to make more radical changes to my eating habits (e.g., no more pizza or maybe even giving up water).

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