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Fallout Re: SP and SPAA Developments

News of the last week.

1. Lost the article from JANEs but the headline was that France will receive the last 4 of 77 CEASAR units ordered by the end of the month-sorry.

2. How a phone call revolutionized artillery munitions.
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/22584/

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News of last week...

1. USA fields APMI 120mm GPS guided mortar cartridges to Afghanistan.
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/23135/
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/23297/


2. There have been numerous TORNADO sightings and "touchdowns" in Russia the affects of which can be destructive if in the vicinity. You'll just have to read it for yourself!?!
http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20110328/163247668.html
These guys just seem to be ahead of everyone pretty often as I've noted before.
http://www.military-today.com/artillery/9a52_4.htm
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Fallout Re: SP and SPAA Developments

Moving this up for current helo discussion concerning helo armor and there will be much work here hopefully for the next Patch. LAV-AD will be discussed in the other thread.

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Well the timing works in getting this to it's home page if you will from last patch (The Aussies have it now-Thanks Don.) and helping a learned colleague out here at the same time. Seems the M777 155mm needs some clarification concerning the USMC and the USA.
1. The term M777 is only generic to the system in general. It is an Army run program. The system in reality needs to be thought of as the M777A1 and the M777A2. The M777 should be considered probably the best and most advanced LW (Or other.) towed 155mm out there. Also of note the crew size is 8 with a minimum of five that can still maintain an ROF of I believe it was 2 Rounds per minute.
What made the M777A1 so advanced was the mounted onboard "black boxes" you'll clearly see on the left side of the barrel in the picture below. It's a FCS that's GPS based with a very advanced C4 package that's fully satellite supported and allows for targeting data from ground/air and satellites. For the M777A1 I would recommend the following dates at this point for both services. The USA 10/2006 - 12/2008/USMC 06/2005 - 12/2008. I based the end date on the following data; of the 495 systems ordered by both services 400 M777A1 systems were upgraded by 08/2008. For the last 95 systems this is WELL within the "swag" of six months that Don and I have had to use on rare occasions when no good hard dates are available.

To prevent any heart attacks out there; it was identified that the need was greatest for the CORPS in updating their M198 155mm pieces first as one of the considerations involved in who got it first.

Concerning the M777A2 the difference here is that with the development of advanced precision guided munitions that which ended up to be the EXCALIBUR precision guided round (That was used extensively in Afghanistan from March 2008 by both services.) the software package needed to be upgraded which improved also all the features noted for the M777A1 suite. This also included some minor hardware upgrades as well. This is what "makes" and allows the M777A2 to fire these type of advanced rounds. Full material release for both services occurred in 07/2007 and allowing for initial installation, I would recommend the following dates at this point for both services. The USA/USMC 10/2007 - 12/2020. I would recommend reading the PM 4 info below as it ties in with this discussion in greater detail on system equipment components.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/ufh/
http://www.defenseinnovationmarketpl...ograms2013.pdf
Section 4 FIRE SUPPORT PAGE 101/ALSO SEE PAGES 67-75 FOR OTHER INFO OF USE.

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Bottomline: USA/USMA are all in on the M777A2. ADF info below makes for good reading as well.

PM4. AUSTRALIA/ADD/JUL 2011/C8/M777A2 155mm w/Rockwell FIRESTORM DTCS/AMMO XM1156 GPS FUZE KITS (EXCALIBUR) and DIEHL/RHEINMETALL SMArt 155 AT Rds//
This much like the LAND 106 (M113AS3/4) the LAND 17 (Artillery Replacement Program) was also plagued by numerous delays. The purpose of the program was to retire the 105mm M2A2, L119 HAMEL 105mm FG and M198 155mm (Addressed below). This weapon is considered in the “ultra-light weight” category. The A2 is the newest version of the piece. Also the system is so user friendly that it can be operated by a crew of 5 though, as noted above 8 is the standard crew for all users of the M777. The FIRESTORM DTCS (Digital Terminal Control System) will allow for instant targeting coordination that will include a tablet PC, a laser range finder, a laser target designator, a real-time video downlink receiver, a manpack radio, and the firm’s Defense Advanced GPS Receiver (DAGR).
Both the USA and USMC have already been equipped with the FIRESTORM DTCS package for their M777 pieces. It should be pointed out at this juncture that there are only two versions of the M777 as taken from Ref 1 as follows; “The systems fitted with the digital fire control system are designated M777A1, and those with the software update which allows the firing of the Excalibur projectile, M777A2. M777A2 received full material release in July 2007, clearing the upgrade for fielding. All M777A1 systems will be upgraded to the A2 standard.” This is in reference the U.S. so changes need to be made to both the USA and USMC OOB’s (Ref 2) and possibly Canada as well. The ADF site (Ref 1) no longer shows any other artillery being used in active service. The LAND 17 Phase 2 (Or 1C.) part of the program was also delayed and finally cut due to budget issues in May 2012. This program was to chose an SPA option for the ADF. The Australian 105mm has been retired, the L119 HAMEL 105mm has a battery on active service at their Artillery School and there are indications they along with the M198 155mm are in service with the Australian reserve forces. I have feelers out for information in Australia at this time so this and the above issues can wait until next year.
http://www.army.gov.au/Our-work/Equi.../M777-Howitzer
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/ufh/
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...goahead-01928/
http://www.armyrecognition.com/june_...s_0606122.html
http://www.armyrecognition.com/octob...2_1610122.html
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...tillery-03911/
http://www.military-today.com/trucks/mack_mc3.htm
Refer to the #15 Australian OOB Queries Thread by TDR for further info if desired in Posts 6, 12 and 15.

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My Ref. 1 from PM4 in my last should read Ref. 2 the clock ran out on my editing it for this Thread. However I did repost the ref under my discussion of the M777 in regards to the USA/USMC as well-hey it's Ref. 1 there!?!.

Sorry any confusion but it is late. Sounded good at the moment anyway. Gotta hit the rack.

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The two major questions are:
1) The current M777 (presumably A1) has an Accuracy of 10. What's the Accuracy of the A2/Excalibur?
2) Will the USA/USMC will use up their existing stocks of 155mm ammo and then use Excalibur rounds exclusively? If not the M777A2 should be a new unit available apx. 07/2008 and the existing M777A1 units should remain in the OOBs.

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Excalibur was developed as a longer-ranged alternative to conventional artillery shells, with GPS guidance for improved accuracy. Excalibur has a range of approximately 40 to 57 kilometres (25 to 35 mi) depending on configuration, with a circular error probable (CEP) of around 5 metres (16 ft) to 20 metres (66 ft). The extended range is achieved through the use of folding glide fins, which allow the projectile to glide from the top of a ballistic arc towards the target.
Initial combat experience with Excalibur in Iraq in the summer of 2007 was highly successful, with 92% of rounds falling within 4 metres (13 ft) of the target. Its performance was so impressive that the U.S. Army planned to increase production to 150 rounds per month from the previous 18 rounds per month.

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News of the LW+:

1. EXCALIBUR 155mm PGR has been stepped up to full rate production status. With the improvements made to PALADIN (PIM) and Towed Howitzers (TH) in targeting capabilities over the the last year, it was only a matter of time before EXCALIBUR was mated to these improved systems in greater numbers. EXCALIBUR has lived up to all expectations in the field, especially in significantly lowering the possibility of collateral damage. Will it replace all conventional rounds? I don't think so, after all as I already noted in this thread the improved BAE targeting system (For TH.) can take out a truck at five miles with one shot. However given the choice especially in populated areas I'm sure the call will be "EXCALIBUR ON THE WAY!"
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/23944/
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...-Shells-06835/


2. USA learning from cancelled programs.
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/23843/

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Thailand contracted to buy the very capable CEASAR SPA in 2006 but apparently to what amounts to only a platoons worth of 6 units. The order was to be completed by the end of 2010. Based on this info I'll recommend June 2010, and disregard 2007 from Post#7, the French Army fielded the CEASAR in July 2008 with dedicated ammo resupply units as also pictured in Post #7.
ADD/THAILAND/JUNE 2010/CEASAR w/Dedicated ammo resupply vehicle./C6/L52 155mm 18Rds (Including OGRE CM.) and 12.7mm UKN Rds/DEFENCE: Armored Cab offering protection against SAF & Arty SSplinters./ Note on OGRE CM a six shell salvo will release 368 bomblets covering in saturation an area of 3 hectares or 30,000 Square Meters that's for the CM doubters still out there. For additional information see Post #7, and ref below and note para 5.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/caesar/
Also since we're here ADD/SAUDI ARABIA/JUNE 2011/Based on para 6 of above ref as well./


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1. IRON DOME it's quite a hit! I don't believe the earlier articles directly identified the type of rockets brought down.
http://defense-update.com/wp/2011040..._ashkelon.html

2. MEADS continues on developmental track before program ends.
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/25375/

3. Some have asked so here's a system to help you better understand how counter battery works.
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/25184/

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More MEADS news. What's of interest is that Poland is very much considering the system and is looking into the possibility of being a partner in the program. This could have some interesting ramifactions for the program down the road. On the last Ref. check the JUNE 15 & 21 Key Events. 2014 takes it to plus 1 year past U.S. development phase date as planned previously.
http://www.dmilt.com/index.php?optio...rope&Itemid=57
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/25598/
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/25597/
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...639/#contracts


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