Jomon's new summons (how is Jomon now?)

[JimMorrison]

Originally Posted by Slobby

...I was playing around with the forest god and it's funny that it does get a different sprite if it leaves it's forest. If I recall it lost one magic point in it's paths going from 3n1e to 2n. I would guess the mountain god would also lose one magic point accross the board as well.

That just seems too severe. Dropping the one present in the screenshot to 1A2E1N makes him not only not very interesting as a battlemage, but also not incredibly cost effective. Ultimately he loses all combat magic utility, and thus becomes little more than a sort of expensive, lowish HP, self buffing thug.

[st.patrik]

Originally Posted by JimMorrison

That just seems too severe. Dropping the one present in the screenshot to 1A2E1N makes him not only not very interesting as a battlemage, but also not incredibly cost effective. Ultimately he loses all combat magic utility, and thus becomes little more than a sort of expensive, lowish HP, self buffing thug.

I think both of these summons need to be looked at as a defensive boost vs. for use offensively.

Although having said that the Mori-no-kami can go in any forest and not lose magic levels, so will have some limited offensive potential.

[JimMorrison]

Originally Posted by st.patrik

I think both of these summons need to be looked at as a defensive boost vs. for use offensively.

Although having said that the Mori-no-kami can go in any forest and not lose magic levels, so will have some limited offensive potential.

Hmmmm. Summoning them as a "stationary" defender seems even more of a waste, in general terms. Considering you must do so in a Mountain province. Jomon in particular is one nation that should avoid Hillforts at all costs, without a single useful low resource unit to train. But then you spend 28 gems to get a researcher (with RP malus of 2, it appears), that maybe, some day, will have more purpose.

[MaxWilson]

Originally Posted by JimMorrison

That just seems too severe. Dropping the one present in the screenshot to 1A2E1N makes him not only not very interesting as a battlemage, but also not incredibly cost effective. Ultimately he loses all combat magic utility, and thus becomes little more than a sort of expensive, lowish HP, self buffing thug.

E2A1 can cast Rain of Stones... and he's Ethereal.

-Max

[JimMorrison]

Originally Posted by MaxWilson

E2A1 can cast Rain of Stones... once..... and then pass out..... and he's Ethereal.

-Max

There ya go.

[Amhazair]

Originally Posted by MaxWilson

E2A1 can cast Rain of Stones... and he's Ethereal.

-Max

But with boots and summon earthpower he can cast several. Moreover, if he starts in a mountain province he can cloud trapeze without need for boosters. Do that with two or three of them in mid-game and you have an army-destroying surprise attack. And the bigger the opposing army the better. (If he starts his turn in a mountain province, will he then have his mountainform or notmountainform in any ensuing battles?) Of course, 28 gems isn't exactly cheap, but in the right circumstances it'll be absolutely worth it.

They also have good paths to allow the forging of the not-so-easy-to-get staff of elemental mastery with some boosters. And for gargoyles.

[zlefin]

the thug chassis look best suited to an earth bless imo. that would enable them to be somehwat useable without gear, and cover their enc fully with gear. So i'd guess go with an e9 cyclops pretender to have your awake sc + bless.

[Sicaire]

The changelog for patch 3.21 also mentions a "Onmyo-ji shikigami battle summon" but i couldnt find the spell somehow...?

[VedalkenBear]

Having experimented a bit, I can say that it is at least very interesting for Jomon.

One very interesting fact now is that Jomon can bootstrap Nature summons without making enhancers. Jigami requires 1N, has 2N. Kitsune requires 2N, has 3N (I believe). If Jomon can get access to Nature gems early, they can also start pumping out researchers. Given their wide variety of magic, Alteration to Mother Oak and then moving to Conjuration to get their summons may be viable.

For the same reason (wide variety of magic), I don't think that Jomon should have any Death magic inherent. They already can get 4 different paths at 2 (Fire, Air, Water, Astral) and 2 paths at 3 (Earth, Nature) without too much of a problem. Do you really want to give them more?

Also, has no one seen the Shikigami? More or less Ethereal sacred crows. Given an appropriate bless (say, 9S), they can be quite useful as harassment to keep troops in place and away from your Onmyoji. I do wish there were a way to summon them apart from auto-summoning.

A couple of events I've seen since the patch that I haven't seen before is a negative one that kills a Sohei and a Yamabushi if they're in the same province, and one where a kannushi (didn't have one in province, but there was a temple there) calmed a bandit leader, and I got about 10 Ronin.

[Sombre]

The yamabushi/sohei event was there before. Don't know about the other one.

I don't think using nature gems to summon researchers sounds very viable. How does it compare with lanterns or skull mentors?