Firefly (The Series)...POLL

[raynor]

I agree with Geoschmo. The first couple of seasons of TNG were nothing to write home about. They hadn't killed of Yar yet. Riker didn't have a beard yet. Several of the episodes were blatant spinoff of TOS.

Slynky, you made some great points about Firefly. I had already forgotten some of the reasons I first started watching that show. It had some really good elements. But the crossover between space opera and western just didn't work very well for me. Maybe you are right. Maybe it was just a couple of episodes that went too far to the 'Western'.

[FadingSuns]

Yet another thing about Firefly that will be sorely missed is the humor. Picard is my favorite captain, but you couldn't beat the one liners that the writers of Firefly put into the scripts. The episode that had the swordfight (duel) had me in stitches. "I won't harm him because I'm better than that" -STAB- "I'm still above that" -STAB- "Well, I'm not bad".

[Slynky]

Originally posted by FadingSuns:
Yet another thing about Firefly that will be sorely missed is the humor. Picard is my favorite captain, but you couldn't beat the one liners that the writers of Firefly put into the scripts. The episode that had the swordfight (duel) had me in stitches. "I won't harm him because I'm better than that" -STAB- "I'm still above that" -STAB- "Well, I'm not bad".

LOL...yeah, forgot that one!

[Perrin]

Well as long as we are bashing SiFi plot lines I would like to add something.

First of all let me say that I am a trekie. I have watched them all. I lost interest in Voyager for a while but I came back to it later after they finally found the right formula.

I loved B5 and its sequels and to this day I curse Turner for causing the end of Crusade which IMO had huge potential.

I was stricken when I found Firefly had been axed. I loved it.

Well enough of that onto my rant...

I am really starting to get pissed at the new Enterprise. As a trekie I have been watching it and I keep saying to myself WTF?

Problem one... Messing with this temporal cold war crap. It was interesting in the beginning but it starting to border on disastrous. They are abusing the Time Line way to much with this concept.

But the biggest problem that I have with Enterprise is that No one on the crew has died!! I mean give me a break. This is the first time Humans have been in deep space meeting Aliens. Getting attacked.. And not one crew member has died?!

They have all been badly hurt.. or in critical condition. They don't have replicators yet... Sick bay is a zoo of animals that are used in medical treatments.. But not one crew member has died!

There was one episode where they ran into a cloaked Romulan mine and a hugh section of the saucer was blown away. But guess what? No deaths... No missing crew member presumed dead.

I know they may be trying to be more family friendly. I am not saying that I have to see crewmen slaughtered like in the red shirts of old. But when you loose an entire section of the saucer.. You can not tell me that there wasn't somebody in that section.

[ May 05, 2003, 16:14: Message edited by: Perrin ]

[Gwaihir]

I gotta agree with Perrin's complaint. I think you nailed it with the redshirts comment tho - the pendulum has swung to the other side. (Interesting how this follows the wars of various times - original:Vietnam-huge body count, Enterprise:Gulf War II - miniscule body count)

[geoschmo]

My biggest gripe with Enterprise isn't the lack of crewmember deaths. It's the overly moralistic tone. Star Fleet has always had this pie in the sky prime directive which sounds all good on paper, but never is quite practical out on the frontlines where you realize those cultures you have to let die because of your principles are living breathing people. The biggest tension in Trek has always been watching Kirk/Picard/Sisko/Janeway struggle with the inner conflict between doing the right thing and doing what their orders tell them. It's not always clean. There are negative repurcussions from making choices. But they make them and deal with it.

Archer is the opposite. He isn't even officially bound by the Prime Directive because it hasn't been written yet, and already he's living by it more strictly than any Trek Captain before. This latest episode with the tri-gender race and their enslaved concubines that were treated as chattel and kept purposly ignorant is a perfect example.

Kirk or Picard would have never sent the slave back without at least giving the aliens a good dose of guilt for their archaic behaivior. More likely they'd have found a way to solve the situation, inter-empire relations be damned. Instead Archer hands her over, appologizing for the interferance. And then reads Trip the riot act for having compassion and treating the slave with respect. Disgusting.

Of course this didn't start with Enterprise. That aweful Insurection movie set the tone I think.

Geoschmo

[geoschmo]

Oh, Slynky, Slynky. Why did you ever give her the first season TNG to watch.

It always cracks me up when people rip on Voyager and say how great TNG was. I figure they are either too young to have watched TNG season one, or perhaps like me they were simply so repulsed by it they have subconsciosly blocked it out.

TNG didn't even get consistantly watchable till season 3 really. Season 2 had flashes of being a decent show. Season 1 was absolutly abysmal. I am firmly convinced that if it hadn't been that people were desperate because Trek had been off the air for 20+ years that TNG s1 would have killed the franchise outright.

Voyager in my mind is way underated by trek fans. The writing, acting and chemistry between the characters was better by far in the first episodes then TNG or even TOS. The biggest problem I think was that Kes chick. Fortunatly she wasn't that big a part of the show. Unfotunatly she suffered from the Wesley/Jar Jar Binks syndrome in that she was so objectionable that's all people remember from the show.

[Gwaihir]

Hrm, I've only seen a few episodes (but they included several where there should have been deaths), so i had figured that I just was catching all the ones with that tone. Sometimes I agree with Archer, but most of the time, I think that the whole Prime Directive (especially since its not written!) is kinda stupid.

edit:
poor wash. still no votes.
Why don't more people think River is cool?!

[ May 06, 2003, 01:14: Message edited by: Gwaihir ]

[Kirok]

I know that the series is being advertised over here in the UK on the Sci Fi channel.

You never know maybe they'll pick it up and make more episodes.

[Gwaihir]

That would be very spiffy!

Write your congressman! (oh, i guess its MP.) (yeah, so that's a silly idea. but thats what i'm good at! )