Two down and two to go

[tesco samoa]

hmmm thinking about this one all weekend.

I believe what they did there was wrong.

Excessive force.

I think that they should have been captured and put on trial.

As they would have been shown for what mosters they where.

And they would have been able to reveal all that they knew about Iraq, wmd, Halliburton etc...

hmmm... Perhaps that is why they were killed with such excessive force.

[geoschmo]

Tesco, if they wanted to kill them the battle would have been over in about 15 minutes. The only reason it took so long is they were trying their damndest to take them alive and to avoid collateral damage to the neighborhood. So yes it's unfortunate they were killed and didn't stand trial, but don't try to say they did something wrong. The first soldiers on the scene didn' teven know who they were trying to capture other then it was high level officials.

Geoschmo

[Jack Simth]

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
hmmm thinking about this one all weekend.

I believe what they did there was wrong.

Excessive force.

I think that they should have been captured and put on trial.

As they would have been shown for what mosters they where.

And they would have been able to reveal all that they knew about Iraq, wmd, Halliburton etc...

hmmm... Perhaps that is why they were killed with such excessive force.

Just a thought, but did you miss something Geo said earlier in this thread?

Originally posted by geoschmo:
... but according to the reports it was a four hour pitched battle with over 200 American soldiers. There were the four casualties and none captured. What these numbers tell you is it's quite obvious that the army was attempting to take them alive. The only way three men and a teenager could hold off 200 members of the 101st Airborne division for four hours is if they were trying to capture and not kill. Unfortunatly it didn't work out that way as the four were apparently not willing to be taken alive.

Geoschmo

Edit: I hate it when my signiture is correct.

[ July 28, 2003, 22:30: Message edited by: Jack Simth ]

[Baron Munchausen]

Originally posted by dogscoff:

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"Officials said the bodies would be kept refrigerated at the airport until a family member comes forward to claim them"

Oh jeez, now i *know* I'm playing too much nethack. I read that Last post and wondered what sort of intrinsics they might have...

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LOL!

Yeah, play nethack for a week straight and it's kinda hard to break the habit of thinking what you might get for eating that monster, isn't it?

Just think of them as a 'quest' items. The bodies of these monsters are needed to accomplish something else.

[tesco samoa]

ah yes 4 lightly armed men going up against 101st airborne company with support. They only had ak47 and pistols.

hvt 2, 3 should have been captured alive at all costs from an intelligence point of view.

perhaps instead of 50 cal, tows , kiowa helicopters they could have used a swat team with teargas or just a plain old simple wait them out.

I do believe that hvt 2 and 3 were more important alive than dead.

that is all i am saying.

And with the way the attack was laid out. 4 hours is about right with the various stages of the attacks.

As it went from initial contact to verification.

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
perhaps instead of 50 cal, tows , kiowa helicopters they could have used a swat team with teargas or just a plain old simple wait them out.

I do believe that hvt 2 and 3 were more important alive than dead.

that is all i am saying.

Well, it wasn't really all you were saying, but that's ok.

And I agree with you it would have been better had they been taken alive. And I believe the military does as well. But waiting has some serious risks from their escape, to counter attacks from other forces under cover of dark. Especially considering this part of Iraq isn't exactly soldier friendly. (As if any part is. ) Allowing them to get away could have had more serious implications then getting them killed trying to capture them.

Geoschmo

[von_toaster]

And was it necessary to show to the world the reconstitued bodies of the two Hussein brothers? I mean, what's next? Saddam's head on a pike on CNN?
Why isn't people reacting against this?

Should this have been the other way around, Iraq would have been nuked by now (ok, it's a little extreme, but you know what I'm talking about).

This is truly grotesque.

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by von_toaster:
And was it necessary to show to the world the reconstitued bodies of the two Hussein brothers? I mean, what's next? Saddam's head on a pike on CNN?
Why isn't people reacting against this?

Should this have been the other way around, Iraq would have been nuked by now (ok, it's a little extreme, but you know what I'm talking about).

This is truly grotesque.

Once again this is a matter of damned if you do and damned if you don't. The initial intention of the US was to NOT release the pictures as it is agaisnt our policies and standards. Only after a HUGE backlash from the Arab world and accusations of bumbling, coverups and cultural insensitivity did they agree to allow photos. The Iraqis WANTED the pictures released and most that were interviewed insisted they wouldn't believe they were dead unless the pics were shown.

You didn't hear about that?

Geoschmo

[ July 29, 2003, 13:38: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

[tesco samoa]

yea that was a double edged sword to show the pictures. The US gov did what they had to do.

They released the picutures. Now CNN showing them every 5 minutes... That was CNN not the US Gov

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
yea that was a double edged sword to show the pictures. The US gov did what they had to do.

They released the picutures. Now CNN showing them every 5 minutes... That was CNN not the US Gov

I couldn't agree with you more. There is no good reason for CNN and others to be showing these pictures over here constantly. Most westerners couldn't have picked the brothers grim out of a lineup even before they were all shot to hell. It's not like we need to see the corpses to believe they are dead. It's pure Ratings garbage.

Geoschmo