Best unmodded non-TDM AI's

[Alpha Kodiak]

cybersol, krsqk:

Thanks to both for the extra time (it would be cool if that really worked)!

As to which of my AI's are the best, the Rage have always been tough, and could probably be tweaked, and I like the Azorani quite a bit. The Vandron AI used to be pretty effective, but I haven't really tested it much since converting it to Gold.

[cybersol]

Originally posted by Mephisto:
Good point, Cybersol.
Please sent me the correct stock files and I will include them in a future release. You find my EMail in the readme, I don't want to post it in the forum (SPAM).

Done and Done. Let me know if there is anything else I can do.

[JLS]

Originally posted by Alpha Kodiak:
The Vandron AI used to be pretty effective, but I haven't really tested it much since converting it to Gold.

I would like to help as well, in a few weeks...

The Vandron is one of my favorite Ship Sets. The Vandron and Atrocities Last Ship Set release are the Sets I personally use in all my games.

If the designer of the Vandron would not mind, I would like to do something with the AI.
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I do not have the README and the Vandron is not in TDM, does anyone know who the designer is, I have been using this race for over a year.

Am I correct in assuming this is Chewy027 Ship Set design?

Alpha Kodiak if it is ok with you, I would like a crack at the Vandron AI.


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[ May 15, 2003, 15:06: Message edited by: JLS ]

[trooper]

Cybersol, I've worked a lot on pirates and pexlerr AIs, but they haven't been tested against other AIs to see their real efficiency.
Spacesharks'AI is a unmodded Version of the TDM orks.

I'm interested in the result of your investigations, to add info about the quality of the AIs in the racedir.

I'm also interested by the working Version of emp files for Chaos race.

see y@

[ May 15, 2003, 15:01: Message edited by: trooper ]

[cybersol]

Originally posted by JLS:

I do not have the README and the Vandron is not in TDM, does anyone know who the designer is, I have been using this race for over a year.

Am I correct in assuming this is Chewy027 Ship Set design?

The designer is definitely Chewy027, you can find the Vandron readme on the Gold CD in Extras\AlphaKodiakChewyRaceStylePack.zip.

[Alpha Kodiak]

Originally posted by JLS:

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Originally posted by Alpha Kodiak:
The Vandron AI used to be pretty effective, but I haven't really tested it much since converting it to Gold.

I would like to help as well, in a few weeks...

The Vandron is one of my favorite Ship Sets. The Vandron and Atrocities Last Ship Set release are the Sets I personally use in all my games.

If the designer of the Vandron would not mind, I would like to do something with the AI.
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I do not have the README and the Vandron is not in TDM, does anyone know who the designer is, I have been using this race for over a year.

Am I correct in assuming this is Chewy027 Ship Set design?

Alpha Kodiak if it is ok with you, I would like a crack at the Vandron AI.


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I definitely don't mind if you want to see what you can do with the Vandron AI. Just keep me posted on how things are going.

[JLS]

Thanks, for the confirmation; Cybersol

Thanks, for the opportunity; Alpha Kodiak. I will get started on the Vandron Saturday Mourning and have it for you Sunday PM

[ May 16, 2003, 01:20: Message edited by: JLS ]

[cybersol]

Originally posted by trooper:
Cybersol, I've worked a lot on pirates and pexlerr AIs, but they haven't been tested against other AIs to see their real efficiency.
Spacesharks'AI is a unmodded Version of the TDM orks.

I'm interested in the result of your investigations, to add info about the quality of the AIs in the racedir.

I'm also interested by the working Version of emp files for Chaos race.

see y@

Sorry for the long reply time, but it is mostly your fault. I found the race directory and could not stop downloading for a little while. Guess that means I like it, a lot.

After that I was thinking about your insightful questions. I think some sort of AI indication in the race directory is a wonderful idea. The first (and easiest) thing I would implement is to use the results of MB's AI Death Match Two. 32 races competed, so I think the Top 18 (third round), Top 12 (fourth), and Top 6 (sixth) would be the designations to use. Here is the break down, ignore parenthesis for now:

AI-DM2-Top6: Tessellate (MB), CueCappa (Ro), Aquilaeian (MB), United Flora (Ro), Space Vikings (Ro), Narn Regime (Me)

AI-DM2-Top12: Orks (At), Toron (Me), EEE (Re), Khrel (Re), Fazrah (Bl), Pyrochette (MB)

AI-DM2-Top18: Namovans (AK), Sallega (GE), Rage (AK), Earth Alliance (Me), Gron (Re), Puindon (TG)

This lets people know how the AI's performed when head to head. And as a side benefit maybe more people would want to have their AI involved in a future death match if it ever takes place.

The second thing I might do is note the AI author. This gives the AI designer recognition, while allowing people to make a connection with the Category systems, such as the AI DM2 rating above. I noted the AI authors in parenthesis above. AIs written by these DM winner authors and also the rest of the TDM authors that have been updated in the Last year are probably pretty decent in my experience.

Thus logically, the third thing I would note is whether the AI was recently redesigned for improved competitiveness. Reasonable breakpoints for categories might be before gold or after gold. If you wanted more categories 6 months after gold, 12 months after gold, etc. Updating the AI just to work with gold would not count, but updating it to use drones or other enhancements would.

If these AI ideas would actually make it onto your site, I should be able to help with the dirty work of tracking some of this down. I now have most of the shipsets in the race directory. BTW, I have your races and they look great, still have not had a chance to play against them though. I will let you know.

As for the Chaos empire files, would you like them via email or uploaded to the forum?

[trooper]

Thanks for all these infos. I'll try to add them and any future infos about the races asap.

I've got few infos from authors about their shipsets, so I generaly have to keep the list up to date by myself, and it's far too much work for one guy...

You can send this files by email at ebergbauer AT free.fr, it's useless to upload them on the forum.

[trooper]

BTW, who are GE, RE, TG, GI ?