OT- Rights in the USA and Canada and the world - Page 3

tesco samoa · #21 February 16th, 2004, 10:15 PM

Slynky... I am sorry I did not say you were country bashing.... Maybe I need a few more returns between those sentances

I was just reminding posters what the intent of the thread was.

Roanon.

I disagree with you in the greed concept. And I also agree with you. If that makes you go Huh!

I used to think it was just greed.

But I believe that it is the quest of Standard of Living.

People wish to live their lives where they can see that their standard of living increases from year to year.

This includes material goods, shelter, food , stability and level of comfort.

With this thought think about those 5 key areas. There is greed involved there. Yes but it is just part of the puzzle.

We have never seen a Marxist Version of Communisim. For the conditions to trigger/evoluve (from a marxist point of view) this have never been met.

But if you take a Marxist point of view and apply it to the 5 key areas that societies strive towards this Version of Communisim could happen with the different levels of greed that people do have.

For greed to truely kill a system everyone should have an equal level of greed. But that is not the case as its the standard of living that is the goal. This is why we have seen the many types of goverments in the 20th century and the reason they flurish and decline.

Well thats what I think. And I do believe it ties into a persons rights within what ever country they live in.

Would you ( anyone ) choose a high standard of living over personal freedoms within a nation and the personal freedoms of others in other nations?

It is a tough question to answer. And one where I have not answered yet. And one that is not cut and dry. Perhaps I do not want to answer it, but I also do not want the question answered for me

Baron Munchausen · #22 February 16th, 2004, 11:31 PM

greed (noun)

An excessive desire to acquire or possess more than what one needs or deserves, especially with respect to material wealth: �Many... attach to competition the stigma of selfish greed� (Henry Fawcett).

(American Heritage Dictionary, emphasis added)

There is a difference between desire for property, security, and advancement and greed...

EvilGenius4ABetterTomorro · #23 February 16th, 2004, 11:37 PM

I just thought Communism was an economic system. Didn't Lenin originally want basic freedoms for his people?
Look at China now. Free enterprise style of economy but a totalitarian form of government.

I'm really scared for this country. Erosion of the middle class, clampdown of our constituional rights. I'm afraid we're heading for a two class system. Filthy rich business owners and semi rich technicians and the working poor. If you keep Playstations affordable the lower class won't rebel (modern day Version of the Roman Coloseum games) And if you do get uppity enough and ***** about "your place" in society, it's off to prison for you!

DYSLEXICS OF AMERICA UNTIE!

Slynky · #24 February 17th, 2004, 12:07 AM

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Originally posted by EvilGenius4ABetterTomorro:
I just thought Communism was an economic system. Didn't Lenin originally want basic freedoms for his people?
Look at China now. Free enterprise style of economy but a totalitarian form of government.

I'm really scared for this country. Erosion of the middle class, clampdown of our constituional rights. I'm afraid we're heading for a two class system. Filthy rich business owners and semi rich technicians and the working poor. If you keep Playstations affordable the lower class won't rebel (modern day Version of the Roman Coloseum games) And if you do get uppity enough and ***** about "your place" in society, it's off to prison for you!

DYSLEXICS OF AMERICA UNTIE!

I think you said what I said with more words...

As I said, "Give the population just enough to keep them from revolting."

A good analgy, though...the games in the collosium.

narf poit chez BOOM · #25 February 17th, 2004, 12:14 AM

i always liked 'ANARCHISTS UNITE!', if your looking for an ironical slogan.

EvilGenius4ABetterTomorro · #26 February 17th, 2004, 12:53 AM

In Civ III, when the populations get cranky you build a coloseum! Isn't there something in a Mel Brooks movie about how the people are revolting?
I'd think that the first step is to get 3rd world populations under control so the big wigs here don't use their populations for cheap labor. Now a conspiracy theorist would say that is what's happening now with diseases and wars being used to whittle down other countries populations. Oh, don't know what to think now. When the aliens come I want a window seat of this place!

Pyromaniacs of America Ignite!

Atrocities · #27 February 17th, 2004, 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by EvilGenius4ABetterTomorro:
I just thought Communism was an economic system. Didn't Lenin originally want basic freedoms for his people?
Look at China now. Free enterprise style of economy but a totalitarian form of government.

I'm really scared for this country. Erosion of the middle class, clampdown of our constituional rights. I'm afraid we're heading for a two class system. Filthy rich business owners and semi rich technicians and the working poor. If you keep Playstations affordable the lower class won't rebel (modern day Version of the Roman Coloseum games) And if you do get uppity enough and ***** about "your place" in society, it's off to prison for you!

DYSLEXICS OF AMERICA UNTIE!

The new world order. It is the evelution of our society. There will always be a slave class and a rich power wielding currupt governing class.

It has been like this throughout history, and it will continue to be like this.

[ February 16, 2004, 23:02: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

atari_eric · #28 February 17th, 2004, 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Atrocities:
The new world order. It is the evelution of our society. There will always be a slave class and a rich power wielding currupt governing class.

It has been like this throughout history, and it will continue to be like this.

Gee, if that's true, why even bother keeping the humans around? Why not replace us with something better?

narf poit chez BOOM · #29 February 17th, 2004, 05:07 AM

interesting webcomic auther's blog: http://www.davidpinero.com/chuckblog/blogout.cfm
don't agree with everything, but there's some good stuff there.

Atrocities · #30 February 17th, 2004, 05:13 AM

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Originally posted by atari_eric:

quote:
Originally posted by Atrocities:
The new world order. It is the evelution of our society. There will always be a slave class and a rich power wielding currupt governing class.

It has been like this throughout history, and it will continue to be like this.

Gee, if that's true, why even bother keeping the humans around? Why not replace us with something better?

They are trying, clones.