OT: Election 2004

[tesco samoa]

ahh i though this was about the canadian elections in the fall.

Change the title to USA Election 2004

Also my bet is on the old rich white guy to win

[dogscoff]

Also my bet is on the old rich white guy to win

heheheh... I like that one.

[solops]

Election? There's an election?


Hmmm... no qualified candidates...Let's just call the whole thing off and save a lot of money. A panel of talk-show hosts can run the country by poll results for 4 years.

[atari_eric]

Originally posted by solops:
Election? There's an election?

Hmmm... no qualified candidates...Let's just call the whole thing off and save a lot of money. A panel of talk-show hosts can run the country by poll results for 4 years.

That, strangely enough, would be far more democratic than what we've got going now. Furthermore you'd know if your voice was heard - you'd hear it again on TV.

[tesco samoa]

and whats with the long long long running up to an election.... a huge waste of money and time and effort... Year 1 get in office... Year 2 do work Year 3 get ready to campaign Year 4 campaign...

I like Canada's way better. Call an election and have it in 36 days... must occur before 5 years go by.

[Atrocities]

David E. Gervais want to hear a good story?

In August 1998 I went to Vancouver Island with my Grand Father and Aunt. We took the Coho (sp) out of Port Angles and had a really good time. On the Return trip I was held at US Customes and denied re-entry into the US. I am a US Citizan but they refused to let me back into the country. Finally after six hours I was "Granted" permission and ordered to get a passport. Go figure. Small world huh.

They did not let you in because you must have looked arabic to them. Or perhaps the guy just wanted to be jerk. They can do that you know.

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by eol:
I find it odd that both the president and democratic front runner belong to the same secret society.

It's not so odd. Skull and Bones is not a political organisation. You don't have to be any particular party to be in it. Unless it's the kind of party where you get drunk out of your gourd and run neekid through the girls dorm.

[Combat Wombat]

I am not old enough to vote yet but I still have very strong political opinions.

Here is the Iraq Situation Timeline in a nutshell
1. Sadam does alot of bad things
2. Iraq Invaded Kuwait
3. US Led Coalition Stops Iraq
4. UN Passes Resolutions for Iraq
5. Iraq half-*** complies
6. Sadam does alot more bad things
7. We know Iraq had weapons of mass destruction
8. US gives Iraq a boat load more time with Inspections
9. Sadam wouldn't explain what happend to the WMDs
10. Therefore they are no longer compling
11. We therefore revert back to a state of war
12. Even at the disapproval of the UN which is the one that passed the resolutions that gave Iraq a certin ammount of time to dispose of their WMDs(and show solid proof) or there would be military action taken
13. US led coalition frees the Iraqi people from a very evil dictator and will soon hopefully get a solid government setup and leave

Next:
Renegade 13: "And yep, we're only there to stop him from having weapons of mass destruction....but wait a minute...who has the most weapons of mass destruction of all the countries in the world...hmm lets think about that."

Yes the US has the most WMDs but unlike Iraq we have used them only once(outside of tests) and we used them to do the right thing which was end WWII and save possibly Millions of lives that would have been lost in a fight using conventional weapons through the Pacific. Also we were defending ourselves while Sadam liked to use his WMDs on his own innocent citizens.

Next:

The economy gone bad:
1. Bush had 9/11
2. Bush had major corperate scandles which started during the 90's with Clinton in office
3. Bush had .com boom gone bust

But:
Economy is picking up thanks to taxcuts and good old american optimism. We just had the biggest quarter of growth in something odd years. And no the taxcuts are not just for the rich like the Democrats would like you to believe. They help everyone.

Also some people complain about the current budget deficit. I am not happy about it either but sometimes there just isn't another way and I am happy that Bush kept his promise and did not raise taxes.

Enviroment:

Captiam Kwok: "Environmental record? Nothing but loosening up pollution regulations for big corps and exploiting protected wildlife areas for more fossil fuels."

Drilling for oil does not involve clear cutting entire forests and neither does logging. Also forests need to be logged a certin ammount to prevent situations like the massive forest fires that have plauged the west/south west. Also Bush put all that money(7 or 8 billion I think it was) into the development of Hydrogen Powered Cars, I sure he would have done that since all hes interested in is oil and destroying the enviroment

Abortion:

I am against it not only for the moral reasons but also because of common sense. Why kill innocent babies when there are alot of people struggling to find one to adopt because they cannot have one of their own, this includes gay couples whom I have no problem allowing them to adopt considering the alternative of killing the baby.

Gay Marriage:

I am against this because marriage is between a man and a women and its sad enough what our culture has done to the word marriage with an almost 50% divorce rate, there is no reason to degrade it any further than it has gone.

dogscoff:
"Vote for whoever you like, Bush will just rig the election again, I'm sure of it.

I really dislike Bush (as you may have noticed) and although I know next to nothing about the other guy I'm sure he couldn't possibly be any worse, but like I always say: "It doesn't matter who you vote for, a politician always wins."

With a very few notable exceptions, all politicians of all parties in all countries are corrupt, soulless, self-serving, bribe-taking, corporate-owned parasitic scum who will happily sell your Grandmother (not their own) to the dog-food factory for the price of a new Bentley and a seat on the board of some bull**** company or advisory board that they set up in office specifically so they and their old school chums could have a nice fat paycheque until retirement. We should burn the lot of 'em (with a few exceptions) and go live in self-sufficient anarcho-syndicalist communes."

That has got to be the most incredibly cynical view of the world I have ever heard. And how did Bush "rig" the election?

Well I guess this is a good spot to start my review of the canidates.

Canidates:
Bush: There is only 1 problem with basiclly anything he has done while in office and that is the Patriot Act. I find parts of this disturbing because of the power it gives the government and law enforcement and the Last thing this country needs is a government with more power.

Kerry:
Doesn't come off to me as a very nice guy, everytime I see him he has a weird cringe on his face, but this is not the main reason I dislike Kerry and the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party has no ideas anymore all they do is ***** and moan about everyting. Kerry also has switched back and forth on alot of key issues in a short ammount of time, he says what he thinks has the best chance of getting him elected and has no opinions of his own. Also The Democratic Party accused President Bush of being AWOL while he was supposed to be serving in the National Guard and had no evidence to back it up, these kind of unbackedup accusations from either side are unacceptable and sad.

Third Partys:

I don't know much about any third party canidates but I believe that Third Partys are a great thing because this country needs more that 2 choices. I live in Minnesota and enjoyed it when Jesse Ventura was in office, he didn't do to bad of a job and really shook up Minnesotas Political Foundation(in a good way).

Elections in general:
I think a canidates military service or lack thereof should not come into consideration in an election or at least the very high place that both sides have put it at.

Future Elections:
Voteing Kerry in 2004 will not stop Hillary from winning in 2008. Infact it might do the opposite.
Vote Bush in 2004

tesco samoa: "Also my bet is on the old rich white guy to win"

If you vote for Condoleezza Rice(current national security advisor) for president in 2008(I hope she runs, but all I have heard are rumors) we can have a very good chance to get a president that isnt a rich old white guy.

Another issue that has come up recently but I don't think will turn into one debated by our current presidential canidates is whether it is constitutional to have "Under God" in the pledge. My opinion on this is as long as you arent made to say it then there is nothing wrong with having it in there. I myself goto a school where it is not maditory and find that this solution works very well.

Ok well I think thats all I wanted to say for now but most likely I will have more later. And everyone this is a thread about politics, lets make sure it stays that way and not into a flame war as many threads like this do(I have seen this happen on other forums and highly doubt it could happen here but it doesn't hurt to be careful)

[ March 25, 2004, 02:35: Message edited by: Combat Wombat ]

[Phoenix-D]

Your timeline missed the part about our ultimatum to Saddam being exclusively about the WMDs..which again haven't been found.

Budget: They say there isn't another way..except every time there is a hint of surplus, the answer is tax cuts. Wasn't Reagans economic boom supposed to cancel out his deficits? It didn't, and if the pattern is followed the current plan will ALWAYS lead to sky-high debt because it will never be paid down but it will be allowed to grow.

Drilling for oil does involve enviromental damage, even if some of it is accidental (the oil pipline leaks quite a bit, for example). And any building of roads to get -to- the oil is inherent disruptive because of something called edge effects (the interior of a forest has different climate than the outside, different exposure to predators, etc)

Most forests do NOT need to be logged in a convential sense. Mianly because the best trees for logging are the old, large ones. Which are also the most fire-resistant.

The fires in California? Forget about preventing them. That habitat burns to the ground pretty frequently..IIRC the oldest stand is something like a decade old.

Abortion:

There are not a lot of people struggling to adopt, sorry. Actually the system is flooded and over-loaded.

Gay Marriage:

You're against it for sematic reasons. Hmm. Or maybe its because civil unions DON'T EXIST, and if they are created they will be able to be discriminated against that way. Seperate but Equal ring a bell?

[Atrocities]

Bring the discussion back to point, who do you think is going to win the election this year?