Stacking identical artifacts?

[Boron]

I love you to thinktank, but in a butch and entirely platonic way. Ok, on the forging. Now that you mention it I have a vague recollection of the thread you refer to as well.

hm would you please share how this works tinktank ?
because if that is true it should be fixed in the next patch because i think this result is not how forge boni were intended to work or johan ?

i have looked through sites.xls from sunraybe now .
it may be incorrect but there the maximum construction bonus listed you can get from sites is 20% .

so the maximum you should be able to get is 25% forge bonus from a ulm mastersmith , 50% from hammer of the forge lord and 20% from a construction site which adds to 95% .

so now even if all is added and forge of the ancients is up a 80 gem item should cost then :
80x0,5 for forge = 40
40 x 0,05 = 2

so the cheapest prize under really rare circumstances should be 2 gems for a robe of invulnerabilty / soul contract etc.

pickles statement underlines this too he got items worth 80 gems for 10 gems with 75% forge bonus + forge of the ancients up .

edit :
could it be possible tinktank that you discovered that in a dominionVersion pre 2.12 and johan and kristoffer already fixed it for 2.12 ?

[Cohen]

For what I know, the bonuses sums themselves.

Forge of the Anciets halves the price.
With Hammer of Forge Lord you should forge for free.

With a dwarven hammer and forge of ancients and const 20 site you should forge at 95% bonus.

And so on.

[tinkthank]

Ehm, I still havent found that darn thread, so I can't tell you, Cohen, whether it was pre- or post-2.12. I can't really remember the details, and I'm afraid I never bother with numbers or formulae, it was a purely empirical test. IIRC, it was in a province with Steel Ovens (I think -- in any case, a prov with a construction bonus), FotA was up, and the forger in question had a dwarven hammer (or MAYBE it was hammer of the forge lord, but I doubt it), and I was forging my favorite item (Rainbow Armor !!! Yum!!!) for free, or zero gem cost. I don't know any other details and never bothered with the math. I only know that it was the case. I detailed in that thread how to reproduce the situation, and I am sure that anyone can test it. Currently, I do not have the time, but I am sure you can just whip up a map, Cohen, with say #knownfeatures steel ovens and put FotA up and test it.
Best to you

PS. butch AND platonic? Yikes!

[Inigo Montoya]

hm would you please share how this works tinktank ?
because if that is true it should be fixed in the next patch because i think this result is not how forge boni were intended to work or johan ?

i have looked through sites.xls from sunraybe now .
it may be incorrect but there the maximum construction bonus listed you can get from sites is 20% .

so the maximum you should be able to get is 25% forge bonus from a ulm mastersmith , 50% from hammer of the forge lord and 20% from a construction site which adds to 95% .

so now even if all is added and forge of the ancients is up a 80 gem item should cost then :
80x0,5 for forge = 40
40 x 0,05 = 2

so the cheapest prize under really rare circumstances should be 2 gems for a robe of invulnerabilty / soul contract etc.

pickles statement underlines this too he got items worth 80 gems for 10 gems with 75% forge bonus + forge of the ancients up .

edit :
could it be possible tinktank that you discovered that in a dominionVersion pre 2.12 and johan and kristoffer already fixed it for 2.12 ?

Try forging a 5 gem item, Boron.

The formula rounds down, and this is why you can get to less than zero. I don't have the game running right now, but try a 5 gem item with a Smith with the Hammer while Forge of the Ancients is up. The cost will round down to zero. You don't even need a construction site. The Ulmish Smith with the Hammer will get construct the item for 1 gem, but with the Forge up, it will be free.

[Pickles]

Eek Inigo is right - I was sure I had checked this too

Pickles

Mind you that combo is better off forging 40 cost items for 5 than 5 cost items for 0 - saves 5 gems cf normal setup rather than one

[KroolDeath]

Let me rephrase a question I asked at the beginning of the thread, and perhaps I was using the term "stackable" in the wrong sense.

If I have a commander with two Bags of Endless Wine, in two different misc slots, can this commander now supply 50 size 2 troops?

Krool

[Arryn]

KroolDeath said:
If I have a commander with two Bags of Endless Wine, in two different misc slots, can this commander now supply 50 size 2 troops?

No.

[KroolDeath]

Arryn,

Thankyou. That clarifies my understanding of "stacking" immensely.

Krool

[Arryn]

KroolDeath said:
Thankyou. That clarifies my understanding of "stacking" immensely.

You're welcome. Do keep in mind that you can give one bag to each leader in the same province and they do add together when used in that fashion. If you're looking for something useful for your 50gp priests to do when they aren't building temples or preaching, they can serve as your field kitchens.

[PrinzMegaherz]

If you're looking for something useful for your 50gp priests to do when they aren't building temples or preaching, they can serve as your field kitchens.

I was under the impression that the supply bonus work only for the troops led by the commander with the item.
This happened to me some time ago, so it might have been a bug.