OT: Warcraft 3??? - Page 3

Renegade 13 · #21 March 31st, 2005, 10:15 PM

I believe they're currently working on Starcraft 2.

CovertJaguar · #22 March 31st, 2005, 10:51 PM

Doesn't compare to Total Annihilation, nothing Blizzard ever made has, but its OK. As for Starcraft 2, all I've heard about is Starcraft: Ghost, or something like that, and it is a FPS.

mac5732 · #23 March 31st, 2005, 11:40 PM

Hey, if you guys like world of warcraft here is a warcraft site, they also have a world warcraft chat channel on irc and they tell you how to get there,

http://www.1greborn.com/preview/

Saber Cherry · #24 April 1st, 2005, 12:53 AM

I think WCIII is the worst game Blizzard ever released, though it has the best graphics. The way each side seems to have roughly 1 effective unit, no effective defenses, no tactics (that I could see) other than herding a single big blob of units, crazily low unit caps, and... this is a run-on, so I'll put a peroid here.
The way it rubs your face in its "Lowest Common Denominator" design with a 3-tier upkeep system (none, some, and lots, IIRC) reminds me of the stupid US "Terror Alert Level" with random colors in non-rainbow ordering. The resource/upkeep system has NOTHING connecting it to the way upkeep, even simplified abstracted RTS game upkeep, should work. Guess what - if you stop mining, you don't need to pay upkeep! Huh???

Here's a good question. If I pay as much for static defenses as my opponent pays for mobile offenses - and I'm talking melee offensive units, made for cutting flesh, not sieging - who should win when the offenses attack the defenses? In real life, imagine 100 soldiers charging across a minefield to attack 50 soldiers on higher ground in heavy machine gun nests protected by thick concrete walls... it's no contest. In WC3, it's also no contest, but in favor of the attacker, reducing the game to "Mass troops as fast as possible and charge."

My opinion is that Total Annihilation is the best RTS ever, followed by Warlords Battlecry II, Kohan, and finally Starcraft. But you can't see the vast gaps when they're listed like that, so let me show you graphically:

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Of course, everyone has their own opinion. I've met people who like Xenosaga more than Xenogears because the former has "better graphics" ...

CovertJaguar · #25 April 1st, 2005, 03:09 AM

Woohoo, another TA fan.

El_Phil · #26 April 1st, 2005, 05:42 AM

Well of course TA sparkles beyond compare. The graphics were and still are good enough and tactics actually work, unlike the vast majority of RTSs were tactics stop at making sure you have some anit-air units when you charge the enemy base.

And of course enough 3rd party add-on units, maps and total conversions to fill dozens of CDs keeps it fresh no matter how much you play it.

Starhawk · #27 April 1st, 2005, 07:15 AM

Hehe I literally scrounged the internet to get my hands on TA lol and it was well worth it!

I tell yah when my six big bertha cannons unleashed hell on the enemy base it just sent chills down my spine

(of course putting a fighter squadron and a bunch o' flakker cannons near the BBs was necessary once the enemy started sending bombers).

I like the naval battles too, sort of reminded me of "classical" naval battles yet with a new high tech edge that screamed of kickassness!

El_Phil · #28 April 1st, 2005, 07:31 AM

What you want then is the Vulcan my friend, ahh a multi-barrelled rapid fire big bertha... Truly a wonderous sight. (Energy producion allowing, results may vary, picture for demonstration purposes only and your home is at risk if you don't keep up repayments

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Ragnarok-X · #29 April 1st, 2005, 11:32 AM

Hey Saber Cherry, coming over from the Dom2 boards ? Could you go into detail ? I dont really get your post, Warcraft 3 is most probably the most balanced strategygame produced, apart from games where factions have the same units.I could image several ways for each race to defeat another race, their are no unique-�ber-units.

Alneyan · #30 April 1st, 2005, 11:56 AM

TA rules them all indeed, though one game does beat it: TA Core Contigency. What, had you expected me to say *anything* beat TA except TA itself?

Warlords Battlecry was a very nice game too: has anyone played the sequel? (WBIII, oddly enough) It is almost on topic too: WIII and WBIII are only one letter apart, after all.