Do you really think that you're fooling anyone? - Page 3

Lazy_Perfectionist · #21 August 16th, 2007, 10:36 PM

I'll keep that in mind next time I get a message I don't want to answer, Sir Dr D.

Can you suggest any canned replies I can use when I'm not really interested in replying, or rather, am too tired to carefully phrase a message that won't imply anything unintentionally.

Sombre · #22 August 16th, 2007, 10:59 PM

Some people don't want to use the crappy ingame messages so they intend to send a PM or email response, but they never get around to it (these forums often get very unresponsive for me, for example).

If people consider it rude, well then I suppose I can consider them sending me a "NAP 3 turns yes/no?" message out of the blue equally rude. But I don't, because it's a freakin game, usually one of many having turns played in a day.

quantum_mechani · #23 August 16th, 2007, 11:19 PM

I would not take a lack of a reply for a NAP as declaration of war, or even eventual war. I must admit I have been occasionally guilty of making no response out of pure laziness or forgetfulness.

sum1lost · #24 August 16th, 2007, 11:31 PM

Not by any means.

What does bother is people who make NAPs to protect themselves, and then announce cancellation if they think they can get a province or two out of it. Something like that, and I won't agree to anything with you in any other game, likely as not. I also make wiping you out my main priority, even if the other guy is a bigger threat.

Velusion · #25 August 16th, 2007, 11:41 PM

Someone ignores a message of a NAP and I consider open war the only option. Of course - if they aren't moving forces to attack me immediatly and another nation is I'll concentrate on the other nation first.

But I'll always immediatly move to war footing if someone turns down a NAP and I have no other threats. They aren't replying because they want a war - just not at this moment. So hence, it's to my advantage to start fighting with him ASAP unless I belive I'll be in a better position to attack him later. But make no mistake... we are at war

The other possiblity is that he just missed the message... but I'll never put my money on that.

Lingchih · #26 August 16th, 2007, 11:57 PM

I always try and do my NAP requests through the board private messaging system. That way I can check "receive read response", and know if they have read the message. If I see they have read it, but have not replied, then I am ready for war.

I also always send a follow-up message to the effect of "I assume that your silence means you are agressive towards me". That sometimes will get people off the fence, and make a reply.

I don't consider the in-game messaging for NAPs. Too hard to remember, with no way to search back 10 turns or whatever and see what was agreed to. I only use it to break NAPs

Jazzepi · #27 August 17th, 2007, 12:13 AM

I maintain a text file on my desktop with all my alliances and stuff listed.

Jazzepi

Sir_Dr_D · #28 August 17th, 2007, 12:15 AM

You can request a read receipt? I have never noticed that before. That will come in handy.

dmentd · #29 August 17th, 2007, 10:42 AM

Option 2 - "I am not sure where I am taking my option right now, so I need to keep options open for a little longer. Lets start a dialog to see what makes sense."

BTW, SUM1WON is talking about me in Chinchilla.
Turn 34 Agreed to a NAP3
Turns 38,39 Abysia talked with me about wanting help against the much larger Pythium. I liked his offer.
Turn 40 Sent NAP cancellation
Turn 43 Will move on some provinces

This topic is appropriate to this posting because I thought this is how NAP's work. I did not just jump on Pythium, I gave notice. Abysia gave a better offer and has been a decent neighbor. If I am wrong, please say so.

Pythium, if killing me is a higher priority, good. Do so, and you can. I am much smaller. Holding grudges between games is your perogative, but not something I like to do. This is a wargame. We are supposed to fight.

sum1lost · #30 August 17th, 2007, 12:23 PM

Yes, I am. It is how NAPs work, but sending an NAP indicates that one is not interested in war. Although what you did wasn't in strict violation, it showed that NAP's with you really don't hold any value, so I have no reason to make any more with you. If you're willing to cancel the NAP at the drop of a hat, or at the pleading of one nation, which, though smaller, is currently winning, there is no reason for me to consider you to be a trustworthy enough neighbor to keep them under any conditions.