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Old February 11th, 2009, 01:29 PM
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Units 304 and 326: medium truck.
I suggest an icon change, with current icons changed to 2982 (green) and 2983(desert). These two icons are more similar to the bulk of iraqi trucks (various models of Zil, Ural etc.)

Unit 355: M109A1
It has a couple of problems
1) It mounts a ZPU-2 as secondary weapon. This was almost certainly not the case and none were present in the pictures of
M109 in iraqi service. I suggest to change it with weapon 29
.50 cal M2 AAMG or similar.
2) It is available since 1975. In reality the first ones were captured from Iran in the 80's during the war. I suggest an initial availability date change to 1988 or such.

Unit 358: SO-152
Current initial availability date is 1975. According to SIPRI the first ones were delivered in 1980, like unit 356 SO-122.

In light of the above formation 160 SPA Battery and formation 161SPA Platoon should have their initial availability date changed from 1975 to 1980.
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Old February 12th, 2009, 01:49 PM
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Unit 643: Ain Jaria 1
I suggest an icon change. Currently it uses a Mastiff MRAP icon which rather different from.
However specific icons are available 4600 (green) and 4603 (desert). Ain Jaria is just the iraqi name for the Dzik APC.


Unit 313: BTR-60P
I suggest it being renationalized or otherwise deleted.
The first BTR-60s were delivered in 1971 according to SIPRI. Version is listed as BTR-60PB.
Asking and reading around it seems that as a policy the early open topped BTR-60 versions were generally retained by the USSR for various support tasks (carrying mortars etc) instead of being handed down to foreign satellite states as might have been expected. The first to be exported were the BTR-60PA/PB versions with armored roofs.
Current Unit 315 BTR-60PK can cover iraqi BTR-60s adequately.

Unit 536: AMX-10P
According to SIPRI the first ones were delivered in 1981-1982 while currently they are available since 1990.
Also at least one hundred were delivered, so it might be made available as general issue APC.
That would entail increasing carrying capacity to 9 and changing class to 25 APC (Track).
Unit 535 BMD-1 can remain as Light Support APC in the formation which uses this class.

Also an armored HMMWV with a MG should be added. Unit 910 lacks armor and unit 324 lacks a machine gun. They are both fine but a third one with both MG and armor should be included.
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Old February 14th, 2009, 11:59 AM
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Some notes about formations.
According to “The Iraqi Army: Organization and Tactics" US Army National Training Centre and the US Army “Iraq Country Handbook”
The standard iraqi infantry company, at least from the Iran Iraq war to OIF, was composed by:
1) three rifle platoons with three infantry squads each
2) weapons platoon with three 60mm mortars and four MMG/HMG.

This basic structure applied to regular army non mechanized and mechanized infantry as well as to Republican Guard non mechanized infantry.

I suggest formation 24 Rifle Company to be modified along the following lines:
1) One rifle squad in the first slot
2) Three rifle platoons in slots 2-3-4, each with three squads (the weapons squad should be eliminated, as discussed previously).
3) One weapons platoon in slot 5. That could be made up by a couple of machine guns sections, picked from units 100-104 and
three 60mm mortars , picked from units 425-426.
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Icon 3219 is an ACRV and a MT-Lbu is not an ACRV.

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Old March 3rd, 2009, 01:27 PM
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Icon 3219 is an ACRV and a MT-Lbu is not an ACRV.
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Yes and no. From what I have read MT-Lbu is the name of the basic chassis upon which several artillery command & control vehicles (and other variants) are based, ACRVs among them.

See this for example:

"MT-LBu (IV12 series) ACRV M1974"
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/mt-lbu.htm

So indeed not all MT-LBu are ACRVs.
However this unit is a FO and is called MT-LBu, so it is most likely meant to be a MT-LBu based ACRV or similar.
In any event even if it was not an actual ACRV its icon, being that vehicle built on the MT-LBu, is more appropriate than the standard MT-LB.
The iraqis certainly had them:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/24449660@N04/2703322125/
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EDIT:

Good catch on that. I should have dug deeper but I've been busy.

Those vehicles are split about 50/50 in various OOB's as either MT-LBu or ACRV and they are now all MT-LBu and the photos have been corrected to show the correct vehicle

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Unit 87: 105mm M102 FG
Final availability date to be restricted to 4/2003.
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Should I assume then that unit 172 gets the same restrictions which would mean Formation 255 needs to end 4/2003 which would also mean formation 250 has the wrong end date for the opposite reason ?


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Should I assume then that unit 172 gets the same restrictions which would mean Formation 255 needs to end 4/2003 which would also mean formation 250 has the wrong end date for the opposite reason ?

Don

I was actually about to write about them.
Formations 250 and 255 can be respectively increased and cut at 4/2003 too. 4/2003 cutoff for unit 172 too.
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Unit 369: Roland
Initial availability date should be moved back to 1/1981 at least

SIPRI lists 1981 and it was officially confirmed by the french government in 2003
“A French Foreign Ministry spokeswoman said Friday that Roland 1 missile systems were sent to Iraq from 1980 to 1981 and Roland 2 systems from 1983 to 1986.”
http://articles.latimes.com/2003/oct...d/fg-missiles5


Unit 525: MT-LB w/ZU-23
A clone of it but with class 22 SP Flak should be made available with 1/1983-4/2003 as availability dates.
Source :http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...d.php?t=128154 (scroll down to the third post for an example)
In any case I have plenty of pictures of them on my hard disk and I can post more if necessary. Apparently they were a rather common sight in the old iraqi army.

EDIT
I almost forgot: unit 392 should have a 4/2003 cutoff too.

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Unit 496: SB7L-360 Seeker
Icon should be changed to its proper n. 51

Unit 123: SA-342K
Final availability date should be restricted to 4/2003

Unit 126: BO-105 PAH 1
Final availability date should be restricted to 4/2003

Unit 926 Mi-17C
It should get some rocket pods, weapons 186 or 205.
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