I hate the look of the Mother of Serpents - Page 3

Herode · #1 August 25th, 2008, 05:32 PM

KO said "Minoean", it's me that erroneously assimilated the icon to a Babylonian look.

Also, no personal offense was intended when comparing your sprite to a Disney thing. If you feel my note as agressive then please accept my apologizes. Don't forget I'm not an english native speaker and I may miss many nuances and subtleties when reading/writing english posts.

This being said, on a strictly aesthetic point of view, I can say 2 things :

- Personnaly, I definitely hate the Final Fantasy stuff and look. Sorry for that. I don't hate Snagga-like monsters, just FF ones. As well as FF heroes as a whole, at least the ones we often see as avatars in forums. That's just a personnal and deeply subjective matter, I agree.

- As for the Disney thing, I also agree they made great stuff... for children. I used to love many of their cartoons when I was a child. On the other hand, Disney iconography has greatly contributed to develop a sanitized aesthetic of mythologies (folklores/faery tales/etc) that I feel insuitable with the European tradition. I am European. So I don't favour Dysney, nor Final Fantasy, things. And of course I don't play Dom III as a "children oriented" game

But I'm afraid such considerations will drive us far away from the original subject of the thread. I just wanted to make my personnal and subjective point clear. I recognize anybody else the ability to refuse to share my positions and as you said, "it's hardly an insult" to make such comparisons. It's just an opinion.

And I love the actual MoS

HoneyBadger · #2 August 25th, 2008, 05:59 PM

I'll correct that-a Minoan figure, not Babylonian-I must have read "Minoan" and thought "Babylonian"?

I don't particularly like FF either-and I took no offense-I'm not promoting FF as a game-I think I might have played it once, and I couldn't tell you which version. and I also don't like what Disney has done to various myths. I do have to defend their artwork some, because studying drawing techniques from various Disney films has been very educational for me, as an artist. Not that it shows through all that much in bitmap sprites

But taken as a piece of art, I think the picture fits the topic. It doesn't shout out to me "Final Fantasy art!", and it really might not even *be* from FF-I found it accidentally online and then made an educated guess, after searching for the source of it.

And you're doing better with English than I am with any other language, so no worries!

HoneyBadger · #3 August 27th, 2008, 12:45 AM

The above image has really kind of grown on me-not as a replacement for Mother of Serpents, but as an interesting critter. So I've turned her into a usable Titan-sized sprite, if anyone wants to put her in the game, possibly as a Pretender. I removed her sword and just gave her another claw, for balancing purposes. I'm naming her 'Ophidian Queen' to differentiate her from Mother of Serpents:

HoneyBadger · #4 August 27th, 2008, 12:53 AM

The above file is a .bmp and easier to turn into a useable file, but here's a file that's viewable in this thread (the BMP should be of better quality):

Endoperez · #5 August 27th, 2008, 01:45 AM

Here's a better image, which actually has a human in a turkey suit vomiting into a pot.

http://www.thing.net/~grist/ld/bot/ky-borb4.htm

It also goes on to explain why there's a guy in a turkey suit, but that's not important.

HoneyBadger · #6 August 27th, 2008, 01:50 AM

I don't think I want to see that image

Chalchiuhtotolin looks hung over. He should definitely show up in the game with a short range, low damage, area 1 acid attack...

Then again, he already looks like an attack of bad acid.

Please don't smite me, mighty Chalchiuhtotolin! Great God of overeating on thanksgiving!

Herode · #7 August 27th, 2008, 03:30 AM

After the comments, Chalchiuhtotolin is an avatar of Tezcatlipoca, and a benign one. He is not vomiting but uttering a stream of jewelled or sacred water. Maybe it could be kind of Heal Spray instead of Acid. Plus Awe, Animal Awe and Terror, the Turkey's gaze, a natural ability to collect blood slaves due to his symbolic posture as a media for man/god/man exchanges via ritual and sacred liquids : blood & water.

This one is great anyway. I want it in the game !!

Poopsi · #8 August 27th, 2008, 03:47 AM

I say he is praying to the Porcelain God.

Nikelaos · #9 August 31st, 2008, 04:46 AM

it seemed to me that he was drinking through a giant invisible bendy straw but more importantly what is that guy in the background doing with that snake? *shudder*