Possble to resist eye shield?

[cleveland]

I meant to spill the secret after I was killed in Kingmaker, but forgot. Not the first time.

Q: Why is the Eye Shield so amazingly awesome?

A: Because to resist it, you have to pass a MR check against 12.

Q: Whaaaaaaa?

A:

[MaxWilson]

Originally Posted by cleveland

I meant to spill the secret after I was killed in Kingmaker, but forgot. Not the first time.

Q: Why is the Eye Shield so amazingly awesome?

A: Because to resist it, you have to pass a MR check against 12.

Q: Whaaaaaaa?

A:

Wait, isn't that just saying that the Eye Shield has a penetration bonus of +2? That's nice, but it's nothing a little Antimagic can't handle. Am I misunderstanding your point?

-Max

[Agema]

There was definitely a debate on the merits of vine versus eye shield somewhere, but not necessarily in a topic specifically on it.

My feeling is that vine shields are best when you aren't sure your character can suck up enough punishment when swarmed, usually because it's more defence-dependent rather than protection, awe, mistform or ethereality. Eye shields are good against thugs or giants, as they aren't so hampered by tangle vines, don't have exceptional MR to resist eyeloss. Against SCs likely to have MR in the 20s, eye shields aren't so useful as the attacker will almost certainly resist. A vine shield however can often tangle an opposing SC which can inactivate it occasionally, which can make for a big advantage.

[Fate]

Another fun point:

You can lose an eye simply for attacking that SQUARE. Not even just the unit.

So (my favorite) a trio of human commanders with decent defenses and eye shields can stand down Barbarians. Most of them are completely blinded on the FIRST swing - BEFORE they get to even make their attack roll!

The trick is to make sure they stand together. This trick loses its potency if they separate (less chance to blind the enemy on the first swing AND each commander individually takes more hits, instead of splitting them roughly into thirds).

[Baalz]

Haha, I'm having visions of hoburgs champions...6 of them in a square. Probably not cost effective but funny as hell, until the a single elephant costs you 60N.

[Jarkko]

Wonder if the eye-loss is checked before or after Awe. Does anybody know?

[vfb]

It's checked together. Well, actually Awe is checked first, but if you fail the Awe check and can't attack, you still have to make an eye shield check, and if you fail you lose an eye:

Trying to strike agains Awe 3 (mor 10)
Awe negated attack
hitunit 3498 313 dmg524288 spec4096 ba2
spec_mr pen 12 mr 9 (unr 3498 vic 313 dmg 11 eff 524288)

Same thing goes for gorgon petrification: you can be unable to attack the gorgon because of the Awe, but still get petrified.

[Sombre]

The hilarity of a fear/awe/eyeshield gorgon knows few bounds.

[Stavis_L]

Originally Posted by Sombre

The hilarity of a fear/awe/eyeshield gorgon knows few bounds.

Although...shouldn't eyeloss protect from Gorgon petrification? (Thematically, not game mechanics wise)

Also - anyone know if Gorgon's petrification stacks w/the Aegis?

Envisioning a DOM10/D10 Gorgon holding Eye Shield + Aegis (or Lantern Shield/Golden Shield if Aegis doesn't stack.) + Helm of Horror. Eep. Not that it'd happen :-)

[Sombre]

Jotun boulders!