SP, MLRS and SPAA Developments

[Suhiir]

Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF12397
(Updated on 1 June 2023.) [/b]

Looks amazingly similar to the LAV-AD (1996-2004).

[Suhiir]

Originally Posted by DRG

There are "issues" am hoping to resolve

Maybe two versions of the HIMARS?
(YES I know many OOBs don't have open slots.)
One "as is" for counteer-battery/area targets and a NLOS veersion?

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

My thought is you should still be able to assign HIMERS (Or similar.) targets as normal. Bridges and Buildings should hit those targets more accurately. FCS will take an inputted GPS Coordinates and drop the missiles where you want them to go regardless of source like HQ/Observer etc. etc. all you need is an electronic map or paper as some might still use map along with some means of comms.

And yes, HIMARS and all the artillery using STRIX, EXCALIBUR, BONUS and others will by extension be much more accurate.

What's killing these targets is the CEP is SO SMALL there really is no such thing as a near miss anymore UNLESS you fire off a defective round or have an FCS malfunction.

Those odds would be extremely low.

Modern (Over the last 30+ years until the last ten years when we first start to see these CEP <5m systems.) artillery FCS's compensate for all of the below.
https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/AD1043284.pdf

Regards,
Pat

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

On a separate issue, this what I tried to convey concerning the German PATRIOT System as being mobile as the picture shows where Germany is sending more of those systems to the Ukraine.

Europe was smart enough to figure out that since so many of their countries are so small a more mobile PATRIOT (NASAMS, IRIS-T, IRON DOME etc. ) system was needed to shoot and scoot with a reload capability of less than 15 minutes.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...le_system.html

PATRIOT with a truck and trailer is much less maneuverable and much more time consuming in set up and reloading even though the PATRIOT can be fired while trailer mounted.
https://newatlas.com/military/ukrain...-game-changer/

WHAT's Coming...
https://www.army.mil/article/154848/...ivery_ceremony

The German MAN 8x8 (And the others named above.) doesn't have those limitations to include they're much faster as well.

Regards,
Pat

[Suhiir]

Given that Patriot is a two-part (missile and radar) system mobility for the launcher isn't near as important as for the radar.
BUT since WinSPMBT doesn't have separate radars ...

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

That of course has always been the case.

But launchers are also prime targets, and the AI knows this well that's why mobile units are important in the game as in the RL.

I've suffered both air and artillery attacks on my "stationary" SAM sites.

Fortunately, I defend in layers and ensure I have some artillery on hand to minimize my losses.

AI Russia has consistently in the last 3-4 Campaigns come at me with aircraft/helos or both.

So, I find myself reacting to the threat. It's happening so much during those campaigns I've spent assets to include them in my core units now.

But I also maintain the AI at near peer or at peer "financially" if you will to see what it buys and how it's used in battle.

It "seems" to keep things fresh, challenging and unpredictable.

Though seems at times to have a "thing" for mobile ammo supply units.

Regards,
Pat

[Suhiir]

For my part whenever possible I move SAMs the turn after they fire (via transports if needed) and ALWAYS leave at least one off-map artillery battery (when available) with no orders because that increases the chance they'll do counter-battery.

[DRG]

Re: HIMARS rockets
https://www.dote.osd.mil/Portals/97/...202.1%20meters).

The 200-pound GMLRS-AW high-explosive warhead contains
approximately 160,000 preformed tungsten fragments. This
warhead change eliminates the unexploded ordnance found in
the GMLRS Dual-Purpose Improved Conventional Munitions
rockets.

The PQT demonstrated the GMLRS-AW rocket is reliable
(17 successes in 17 flights) and accurate (median miss
distance of 2.1 meters). Reliability and accuracy were further
demonstrated in the June 2014 DT/OT (15 successes in
15 flights, and median miss distance of 2.7 meters). There
is no system requirement for accuracy. The contractor
specification is less than 15 meters Circular Error Probable

[MarkSheppard]

https://kyivindependent.com/denmark-...raine-says-pm/

Denmark has decided to deliver all the artillery rounds from its stockpiles to Ukraine, Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen told the Ukrainian Lunch at the Munich Security Conference on Feb. 17.

Artillery shells are among the most crucial military supplies for Ukraine, as they are used daily in high numbers on the Ukrainian battlefields.

“If you ask Ukrainians, they are asking us for ammunition now, artillery now. From the Danish side, we decided to donate our entire artillery,” Frederiksen said.

There's a lot of translation wariness. Is it just shells or is it also the artillery pieces as well?

[Aeraaa]

Well, if they give all their ammunition stocks to Ukraine, they might as well give all of their tubes.