SP, MLRS and SPAA Developments - Page 33

Pibwl · #1 January 25th, 2025, 07:37 PM

Brazil

087 Gepard A1 - according to Portuguese Wikipedia https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gepard and Polish article from 2022, bought only in 4/13 and delivered by 7/13 (now 1/05), similarly German Wikipedia. Seems, that the designation Gepard 1A2 was not changed.
No formation change needed.

109 Igla Team - according to https://armyrecognition.com/news/arm...-tass-50502161, Brazil ordered ordinary Igla in 1994 (I don't know when delivered, might be 1998 like this unit), but better Igla-S (like this weapon) only from 2010. According to Wikipedia, Igla-S was produced only from 2004.

110 RBS-70 Team - bought only in mid-2014 (now 1/90) - https://web.archive.org/web/20140307...m_0403141.html and the mentioned article. However, it should be RBS-70 Mk2 (better one, from Swedish oob)
Needs formation change (the earliest is 111 - Mistral Team - Available 06/096)

In 2019 Brazil bought also RBS-70NG, presumably better, but there is no corresponding weapon in Swedish oob.

(Mistral is used by Brasilian naval infantry only)

DRG · #2 January 28th, 2025, 05:49 PM

Just a little teaser

We have the first steps done getting code in to better simulate the new SP arty units with GPS targeting that can fire, move and fire again at the same target and do it quickly and accuratly , from what I have read, a good simulation of the capabilties of the RL units.

There is still more tweaking to do but right now with a fire mission called by a GPS capable FO and a GPS capable arty unit it will be a game-changer...

FASTBOAT TOUGH · #3 January 29th, 2025, 03:42 AM

That's great, "Shoot and Scoot" but that's a lot of artillery units.

Patch by the Fall or LATER-THAT'S FINE BY ME.

LET'S TAKE THE PRESSURE OFF THESE GUYS SO THEY CAN COME UP FOR AIR ONCE IN AWHILE FOR AWHILE. LIFES SHORT.

WE KNOW THERE'S MORE THAN THIS COMING AS HINTS HAVE BEEN DROPPED; I'M SENSING A MAJOR SOFEWARE/PROGRAMING JOB IN THE WORKS.

THIS WILL BE PROBALY ONE OF THE BIGGEST AND MOST IMPORTANT PATCH SINCE THE CONVERSION TO WINDOWS.

SO, I SAY, "SUCK IT UP" UNTIL MAGICALLY THE PATCH APPEARS.

AS SOME HAVE DONE DON'T ASK FOR WHEN. REFER TO THE ABOVE SENTENCE.

ANYWAY, THANK YOU ANDY AND DON!!!!

GO OUTSIDE HAVE A NICE WALK TAKE IN SOME FRESH AIR AND WHO KNOWS YOU MIGHT WANT TO "HUG A TREE" OR SOMETHING!

WE'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE ANY TIME SOON OR LATER.

I FEEL BETTER ALREADY MYSELF GETTING THAT OFF MY CHEST.

Regards,
Pat

Pibwl · #4 January 29th, 2025, 04:45 PM

Since we touched Chinese SAMs, minor tweaks:

593 HQ-61A SAM - there should be 2 missiles instead of 1 (as lbm shows). I'd give it an icon 8633 (similar truck with 4 AIM-7-size rockets)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HQ-6
(Wikipedia calls it HQ-61 without A. On the other hand, Polish article from 2012 calls it HQ-61B. Given the Chinese secrecy, maybe HQ-61 is the safest)
Reportedly, acording to the article, tested in 1989, but given to the army in "late 1990s" only, and first shown on 1999 parade. Maybe mid-90s is the safe date?

518 Hong Qi 16 - I suggest to rename it HQ-16, to be consistent with the rest

589 FM-80 - according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HQ-7 it is HQ-7, while FM-80 is export version.
Maybe a better icon is 842 used for Crotale (HQ-7 is a Crotale copy, first Chinese launcher was on a trailer)

I think I won't go farther in Chinese SAMs - I have several articles, but they have plenty, and the information, especially dates and actual service, are worse then scarse.

MarkSheppard · #5 January 29th, 2025, 07:15 PM

https://www.defensie.nl/actueel/nieu...-kanonsystemen

The Netherlands is buying 22 Skyranger 30 mobile anti-drone systems on the G5 ASCV chassis from FFG, with delivery by 2028.

Pibwl · #6 February 1st, 2025, 07:38 PM

Portugal

050 M48A2 Chaparral - according to Polish 2024 article on Portuguese army, withdrawn by the end of 2010s (2019?), leaving Portugal without SP-SAM.
(also https://armyrecognition.com/news/arm...ch-rapidranger )

DRG · #7 February 4th, 2025, 01:20 PM

I have a project for anyone who wants it as I am already busy x2

Find me the names of the systems and nations that have them for of all the modern artillery systems that can utilise GPS for precision targeting

RCH 155 is already covered but I believe there are others and/or others in the pipeline . I belive the M777 would also qualify but there must be others I just have too many other things to do ATM

Related article but I have not had time to read it through
https://euro-sd.com/2024/03/articles...-armed-forces/

Pibwl · #8 February 4th, 2025, 02:04 PM

I've heard only about Excalibur.
I'm sure you know it, but Wikipedia says, that self-propelled guns compatible with the Excalibur projectile are the American M109A6 Paladin and M109A7, British AS-90, German PzH 2000, South African G6, Swedish Archer and French Caesar. Towed guns compatible with the Excalibur projectile are the American M198 and M777 howitzers. Also Ukrainians used Excalibur with Krab.

Current operators: Australia, Canada, Jordan, India, Netherlands, Spain, Sweden, Ukraine (M777 and Krab and possibly others), and of course USA. Future or pending operators: Norway, Germany, Denmark.

FASTBOAT TOUGH · #9 February 4th, 2025, 02:40 PM

Pibwl is on the right his list is good. I have to get in the shower!

The "short cut" is with the GPS EQUIPPED SHELLS/MISSILES and Rockets.

You CANNOT EFFECTIVLY fire a GPS ANYTHING because it has to know WHERE IT IS TO KNOW WHERE IT IS GOING.

SO, RECOMMEND FIND THE AMMO AND YOU'LL FIND THE "LAUNCHERS".

bUT THIS IS A "CAUTIONARY" TALE AS SOME POORER COUNTRIES WON'T HAVE THE AMMO OR EQUIPPED GPS UNITS THAT OTHERS DO.

sORRY FOR MESS!

Regards,
Pat

Pibwl · #10 February 4th, 2025, 02:50 PM

Artillery range annomalies.

As I understand, range 10 km = 200, and a surplus is added to 200 (eg. 2S1 Gvozdika: 15 km = 205, 2S19 Msta: 29 km = 219, M109A1: 23.5 km RAP = 214, M109A6: 30 km RAP = 220)

Krab: 40 km = should be 230
(Polish oob weapon #207 155mm L/52 and Ukrainian #115 oob is only 220)

K9: 41 km = should be 231
(S.Korean oob #124 155/52 FH is only 220; same for Finland #141 and probably whoever uses it)
(BTW: name of Korean unit 045 K-9 should be K9, for a consistency, and usually written this way)

PzH 2000: at least 40 km = 230 (or 54 km w/RAP = 244)
(German #112 155mm FH155-1 is only 215 - but it shares weapon with L/36 FH155-1, which has range only 30.1 km w/RAP according to German Wikipedia - which should be 221 anyway)
Same for Ukrainian #112, Hungarian #113, Greek #93 (used only by PzH2000), Netherlands #112 (shared with FH-70 and M-109).
Italian #144 is correct.

M109A1 + in British OOB: weapon #110 155mm M198 GH is 220, while it should be max 214 with RAP (23.5 km) (if they use RAP).

AS90 in Ukrainian OOB: weapon #141 has range 220, while it should be 24.7 km = 215. It shares weapon with FH-70, which should have the same range 24.7km actually (30.1 km only w/RAP)
In British OOB AS90 has correct range 215.