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Old September 23rd, 2024, 01:21 AM
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Fallout Re: SP, MLRS and SPAA Developments

I went back into my files, so this next was from June this year and quite frankly don't remember if I posted it or not. But I was right in my assertion that the Ukraine did receive the 6X6 MAN truck version with the Skyranger 35. I believe they got them around the new year and a handful more since. (They did get them.)

Also, if this article is correct for the LEOPARD 2 (And not likely to be fielded due to a shortage of A4 tanks.) version carries 228 in the revolver which closely aligns with my last post which also does a better job of describing the AHEAD round. I still believe they should have a reload capability which I'll look into.

The turret allows for the optional installation of two Mistral or Stinger missiles. Ref. 2

Germany will field their BOXER with either latest Minstrel or modified Mells for the Skyranger 30/35 systems.

And finally with that ammo can you image what it'll do to light armor or especially dismounted troops?
"The Skyranger gun system is also effective against ground targets and can be used as a fire support weapon. It uses Frangible Amour-Piercing Discarding Sabot (FAPDS) rounds against ground targets. Range of effective fire is about 5 000 meters."
https://militaryleak.com/2020/08/15/...ircraft%20guns.


6x6 MAN truck version pictured at the bottom of the ref. 1
https://www.armyrecognition.com/news...tem-in-ukraine
https://itc.ua/en/news/rheinmetall-p...tank-platform/


Why wait... from the following 2 refs. as follows:
"Ready to fire ammunition: 252x30mm, 1,000x7.62mm"
https://www.rheinmetall.com/Rheinmet...yranger-30.pdf

And...
"Ready to fire ammunition: 252 rounds"
https://www.rheinmetall.com/Rheinmet...yranger-35.pdf

Ready to fire is code for if we live through firing our initial loadout of ammo you can bet, we have plenty more. That even goes for Torpedoes!

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There are also fixed-ground versions of this system



And yes...... it would be nasty against ground targets. A Bradley on Steroids
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Ready to fire is code for if we live through firing our initial loadout of ammo you can bet, we have plenty more. That even goes for Torpedoes!

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At the rate of fire for this gun a one second burst would be 16 rounds so 250 rounds would last 16 bursts

There could easily be a burst fire round limiter that could be adjusted to only fire a preselected number with every press of the trigger which would be the way to go with something like that........ the MP5 SMG had that capability with a 3 shot bursts setting 40 years ago and it's a simple mechanical device

I fired one once. With the three shot burst set you don't miss
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What I meant was like a BRADLEY the 25mm duel fed gun has HE I believe Jake said on the left and DU on the right the gun will fire both at the same time, once ammo is expended the crew can reload again.

Also this is very important in fixing detection etc. ranges whether operating independently or tied in they all have Air-Ground AESA Radar. Think F-22, F-35 F-15 last model and F-15EX. Plus, some foreign ones as well. AESA is an over the horizon detection and targeting component more so of course in a jet.

As you can see from the land-based version there might be some limitation in reloading unless it's done automatically. That system is tied into the "SkyMaster" system. As I already had it, now below.

The vehicle mounted one's work both autonomously and can be tied (Or not. ) into "SkyMaster" if augmenting the defense of an airfield etc. etc.

Bottom line is the mobile units must be able to carry more ammo as has been suggested in couple of those articles.

Just makes sense like a BRADLEY etc.
https://www.twz.com/news-features/ol...nger-35-turret
https://www.rheinmetall.com/en/produ...defence-skynex


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Seemed like an 8-round burst in the video with 152 tungsten steel balls per shell.
https://www.rheinmetall.com/Rheinmet...MD062-RWMS.pdf

Applied against infantry, soft and light armor it would be almost OK distantly similar to what the what the SHERIDAN Canister round did to the Viet Cong and as most vividly described in the book "BLACK HORSE RIDERS" by Philip Keith. A true story of a rescue mission to help an Infantry Company that "stumbled" on a North Vietnamese stronghold that outnumbered them by 6:1.

The canister round carried each 10,000-dart like flechettes it was used to clear a "road" through heavy underbrush and elephant grass etc. and of course as an anti-personal weapon. Have seen it in other books about Vietnam but this a single battle focused book that described the cannister shot as literally picking up soldiers off the ground and pinning (Dead) against the trees in some instances. The rest I leave to your imagination.

Also, as a side note the author provided information concerning both the SHERIDAN and M113 ACAV on the latter he mentions based on the experiences of the ARVN from 1962 on (They made modifications on them as well and he noted them.) so that when the USA modified theirs that by 1965 they all had been modified with "Belly Armor", .50 Cal with shielded turret (I remember this in game.) but also it carried 2 M-60s mounted internally with shields in the left and right rear of the unit (I don't remember this HOWEVER it's been a longtime since I played USA in that time period.)

Anyway, I'm done for tonight and back at it tomorrow.

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Seemed like an 8-round burst in the video with 152 tungsten steel balls per shell.
Well.... my test unit had a total ammo load of 32 so I would say that's dead on 8 rounds

Also. for those interested, I have test Kamakaze drone built using existing game code and weapons that is capable of taking out a hovering Helo or a ground unit or acting like a mobile IED which was not the original focus of my testing at all but I will take that as a bonus
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https://x.com/front_ukrainian/status...00884364296521

Taiwan has received it's first batch of M142 HIMARS launchers + associated GMLRS rockets; along with it's troops finishing training in the US on the system.

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https://x.com/ELMObrokenWings/status...60927608701020

Swiss Federal Office for Defence Procurement armasuisse has concluded its evaluation process for a new artillery system, selecting the AGM Artillery Gun Module on Piranha IV from KNDS Deutschland. This decision marks a significant step towards modernising the Swiss Armed Forces

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Switzerland Selects AGM Artillery Module on Piranha IV to Replace M109 Howitzers.

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On November 5, 2024, Switzerland took a decisive step toward modernizing its artillery capabilities by selecting a new system. Armasuisse, the Federal Office for Defence Procurement, concluded its evaluation and now recommends acquiring the AGM (Artillery Gun Module) mounted on the Piranha IV vehicle from Germany’s KNDS. This funding request will be presented to Parliament as part of the 2025 Army Message to initiate the replacement process.

The AGM, integrated with the Piranha Heavy Mission Carrier (HMC), represents a significant advancement in modern artillery by combining mobility and firepower. Developed jointly by KNDS Deutschland and General Dynamics European Land Systems (GDELS), this system is defined by its fully automated, crewless 155mm (caliber 52) artillery piece mounted on the Piranha HMC. Weighing 40 tons and boasting a turning radius of less than 18 meters thanks to its four-axle steering, the system provides exceptional tactical mobility. The Piranha HMC's 10x10 multi-link chassis platform allows it to fire on the move without deploying stabilizing supports—an uncommon capability among wheeled self-propelled artillery systems. The vehicle is operable by a two-person crew, with an option to add a third member or additional storage.

The AGM module offers advanced capabilities, including 360º firing, "Shoot & Scoot" functionality, and MRSI (Multiple Rounds Simultaneous Impact), enabling simultaneous strikes on multiple targets. With its ability for both direct and indirect fire and its capacity to engage moving targets on land and sea, the AGM on Piranha HMC is a versatile and resilient solution. Its command, navigation, and fire control systems operate autonomously, reducing crew workload through integrated robotic intelligence. The AGM module is also compatible with the 8x8 Boxer vehicle, enhancing NATO interoperability and facilitating cooperation among member forces.

Switzerland's artillery modernization project comes as the current self-propelled M109 howitzer, in service for over 50 years, nears the end of its operational life. Recognizing the need to maintain and enhance medium-range indirect fire capabilities with improved precision and mobility, the Swiss Army, led by Armasuisse, launched the "Artillery Platform and Equipment" (WPWM) project. This initiative, which began with a project contract in 2019, aims to identify a solution that meets the army’s needs through a wheeled vehicle suited for modern battlefield requirements.

This renewal project is extensive and multifaceted, encompassing not only the artillery platform replacement but also its integration with the Swiss Army’s communication, command, and fire control systems. It also includes training and simulation solutions and a complete logistics support framework to ensure system maintenance. An initial munitions procurement is also planned to guarantee full operational readiness upon deployment.

The candidate evaluation process began with a call for tenders from multiple international manufacturers. Based on Swiss military requirements, Armasuisse shortlisted two candidates in 2022: the Archer Mobile Howitzer from Sweden’s BAE Systems Bofors and the KNDS-proposed 155mm AGM artillery module, mounted on two possible platforms, Boxer and Piranha. This selection led to rigorous testing, including logistical, technical, and operational evaluations conducted in close cooperation with the industry and several army units, such as the Army Logistics Base, the Training Command, and the Operations Command.

From January 2023 to June 2024, both systems underwent in-depth testing, including logistical trials, technical assessments of the main weapon abroad, mobility tests on Swiss road networks and rough terrain, as well as exercises involving both professional soldiers and Swiss militia members. Live demonstrations and firing tests were conducted in collaboration with foreign military forces and other defense authorities.

Following this evaluation phase, the AGM system on KNDS’s Piranha IV emerged as the most advantageous offering, meeting Armasuisse’s tactical, technical, logistical, economic, and sustainability criteria. This selection marks a turning point for Swiss artillery equipment, providing a modernized indirect fire capability on a platform meeting the highest technological standards. In the coming months, the project team will focus on integrating the AGM's communication and command systems with the Piranha IV. Preparations for the 2025 Army Message funding proposal are also underway to ensure prompt financial support.

Switzerland’s M109 self-propelled howitzers, officially designated as "15.5 cm Self-Propelled Howitzer M109 KAWEST WE," have been acquired in several phases since 1968, forming the backbone of the Swiss motorized artillery. While they have been periodically upgraded, with combat improvements in 1995 and updates in 2012, this system—recently granted a usage extension in 2021—now shows signs of obsolescence. Acquiring the AGM artillery module on Piranha IV opens a new era for the Swiss Armed Forces, equipping them with a more mobile, precise artillery capability suited to modern conflict requirements.

The acquisition of the new AGM-mounted Piranha IV howitzers will bring several advantages to the Swiss Army. First, these systems offer increased mobility due to their 10x10 wheeled chassis, allowing rapid redeployment and greater operational flexibility compared to the older tracked M109 howitzers. This mobility is further enhanced by the ability to fire while on the move, reducing vulnerability to counter-battery fire.

Secondly, the fully automated 155mm caliber 52 AGM reduces crew workload and improves firing rates. The system's enhanced range and accuracy enable more effective medium-range strikes, meeting modern battlefield demands. Additionally, integration with Swiss communication and command systems ensures better coordination and optimized response times during operations.

Lastly, these new howitzers strengthen interoperability with NATO forces, supporting joint exercises and multinational missions. Overall, introducing the AGM on Piranha IV modernizes Swiss artillery, offering a combination of mobility, firepower, and technological compatibility to address contemporary challenges.

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There's a very good chance that this system could influence the US Army's M109 replacement program evaluations in FY25 -- the Piranha IV is basically a very close cousin to the Stryker family...
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