MP: Qwerty - MA team game. Finished

[Kuritza]

Well... Sorry for disappearing, but now I have to ask for a rollback. Skipping turns in our situation (war against everyone) means a 100% loss.

[WraithLord]

@Dimaz, I'm sorry I haven't seen your message on time. I had a crazy morning at work (We work Sundays where I live).
Now, had you sent this message earlier I would likely have picked it up. Alas, it was very close to the hosting and was missed by me

This is not the first time I'm getting last min. extension request from you and I asked you before to both try and make the request earlier so that I have a chance to read and comply, and to send a PM to me if you want to make sure I get it (I read the game thread less often than I check my PMs).

@Kuritza, I'm realty sorry you staled. It sucks, however way you look at it.
However, considering our very relax schedule (120h) and the fact that last turn was further delayed by me and the fact that you didn't ask for an extension and that Dimaz asked for one at the last moment. Well considering all that and the fact that all players but you have played their turns which allows you to see the results of next turn and update according to them (not that I'm saying you would do so, but technically you can).
And further considering the suckiness of having to redo our turns to change the orders in order to adapt to possible changes.

Well considering all that I must say I object to a rollback.

What do the other players think?

[WraithLord]

Oh and one more thing. I mentioned before I'll be on three weeks vacation this March.

In case the game would continue until then (which I hope it will since its really interesting) I would handover my nations to a temporary sub.

And what a sub I have found!

The illustrious former emperor of TC - ano - has agreed to relocate to the marshy throne of Ctis in exchange for 12 Bog beasts and a life long supply of Ctisian weed

The former Agarthan overlord, Karnoza is considering to join as well in ensuring that Man's kingdom is run smoothly.

[Dimaz]

WL, I agree that my request was too late, however it wasn't the situation where I knew that I don't have time to make turn, actually my turn was already done, but I had no communication with Kuritza so I decided that to prevent stale I have to ask for delay. I mean, I had no way to know that he's going to stale or that he had no time to make turn or anything, so I just looked at the remaining time and decided that I should ask for delay.
Now, about rollback. Actually, this turn went rather smoothly for me, considering turning on corruption in the middle of it (only few of my mages were killed by horrors). However, I agree with Kuritza, that in the current situation it's almost the choice between rollback and leaving the game for our team. And I don't see why everyone should change their turns, if I understand correctly, after rollback everyone's turns are in place to generate another version of new turn instantly, so we'll need only Kuritza's turn. From what I heard from him, his turn was already almost complete, so I think we should ask him to send the turn without changes, that will be better anyway than current situation. At least, that's my view of the problem.

[Kuritza]

I second that. Its either we rollback, or we go AI. Actually, this is of crucial importance for us. I still didnt have the time to see what's happened, and I can guarantee that I wont, so indeed, you can just send your old .2h files.
Actually, I'm just as tired of this game as you are, so I wont cry if we just stop it and declare either you or anybody else a winner. But we just cannot continue with Bandar Log turn staled - trust me, its crucial. Its not like we dont want to go on as is, we just can not.

[WraithLord]

I hear you, and respect what you're saying. I trust you had something very important going for the previous turn though I can't fathom why if its so awesome you can't just do it this turn. I mean if you were going to cast spell of mastery last turn then what's to prevent you from doing so this turn?

You know, in another game I play, under different circumstances, the host decided on his own to rollback. I objected to that as well for more or less the same arguments I've put here. Then the new turn came back and surprise, all my moves were countered, what a coincidence. Now, Its too much in the grey zone to actually do or say something about it since I deeply respect my fellow player's integrity, and hey he may just have out smarted me in the first place. Nonetheless its enough to make me not trust to keep the same orders when a turn is rolled back. So my point is that rolling back would force me to redo my turns.

Look, I don't want to see you leave, and I don't want anyone declared winner. I hope this game will be played to its end and let whomever wins win, its beside the point, which is to have a fun game. That said, I'm afraid I still object to a rollback. As a player I believe rollbacks should be reserved to only when Lamma server explodes the turn or other similar disaster.

I'm sorry. I just hate the rollback mechanism (when not used for recuperating from server failure) and I still object to rollback.
We are four players here, lets just vote on it and be done with this. I'll go with whatever the majority decides.

[Meglobob]

I after vote against a rollback because:-

1) Astral Corruption went up this turn and a rollback would take away the surprise factor. Strange Astral Corruption goes up and all of a sudden you want a rollback?!?

2) This turn was due Fri, Wraithlord already give a 2 day extension, so you had 7 days to co-operate on your turns and get them in. This is more than fair.

3) You know Wraithlord will always give you an extension but he has requested on several occassions you give reasonable notice. Not the 1 hour or less before the game hosts! You cannot expect Wraithlord to be present 24/7 just in case one of you needs a extension.

4) I lead a very busy life and if I can get the turns in for 2 nations before the game hosts, you should be able to get one turn in!

I see no case at all for a rollback and Bandar should just accept a stale and get on with it.

Rollbacks should only be for when there are technical issues for missing a turn.

[Kuritza]

Meglobob, you can call me a liar all you want, I dont care. I wanted to take a break from Dominions anyway, and I'll have it sooner than I expected, it seems, and this break will probably be MUCH longer.

Have fun, everyone. I thought you played to play, but it turned out that you played to win. With Bandar Log (and probably Caelum) as AI it will be much easier, so its a good thing for everyone.
A pity though, this game just turned interesting. I am seriously disappointed.

P.S.

Meglobob, I had no monthly rituals scripted; I like doing everything manually. So if anything, your astral corruption has hurt me less than it should've. I dont know if it did, even, because as I said, I didnt watch my turn. And probably won't now. Good luck beating the AI - I am sure you will manage.

[Meglobob]

A shame you are not going to continue to play the game but I still oppose a rollback for previous stated reasons.

You just missed 1 turn, big deal, if I had missed a turn I would just continue. Indeed when pressed for time I have often submitted turns that I was not really happy with, but you never see me complaining.

[Dimaz]

@Everyone.
Well, I'm sorry for my teammate's hot words, he's a little rude sometimes. From my point, probably we really gained more than lost with the stale, as I think we were going to lose 3 equipped wishers otherwise and probably others. But, it seems he made his decision and now I have 2 options - take 2 nations or go AI myself. Actually I'd like to continue playing, however I really have no time for 2 nations now. So, unfortunately, it seems I'll go AI too this turn. I'll probably wait for the hosting time to see if some other options appear, though.