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January 4th, 2009, 02:46 PM
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Re: Faerun.
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I haven't read any of the stuff that came out since 3E was introduced, but even with 2E there was plenty of stuff about Tabot, Khazari, Wa, Kozakura, Shou Lung, Tu Lung and the Hordelands. I also have most of the stuff related to Zakhara, so that would not be a problem.
In the old material the areas that have the least coverage are the places south of the Sea of Fallen Stars between Chessenta and Tethyr (Chondath, Sespech, turmish, Orsraun, Shining Plains) and the Shaar and Eastern Shaar areas. Not much about the Black Jungles and the Mhair either.
Everything else has something even in the old stuff, though the greater part of that concentrates on the Dalelands and the Sword Coast North. Kara-Tur has less, as there were relatively few adventure modules made for it and just the one boxed set and what precursor stuff was in the 1E Oriental Adventures book.
There would still be enough to do nations and such based on those if you wanted and plenty of special provinces for a map, but specials would have to be redone anyway.
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I have a bit of good stuff for the Shining South, all the places you mentioned, and of course Maztica (and the northern stuff described in City of Gold). Also can dig around to find old web enhancements that describe the Border Kingdoms and the chondath-to-tethyr area very well. Also, Sea of Fallen Stars gives great details for undersea races.
As far as the continents that are "blank".... all there are are vague rumors (and this is after a personal plea to Mr. Greenwood himself to explain what they were).. but apparently a map designer / DM / whoever would have carte blanche to put whatever made sense there. I am thinking of adding African-style mythos to one continent, perhaps remnant populations of the various Creator Races holding sway in some of these "dark continents". Although I am tempted to use the round one on the bottom right for a straight up copy of Rokugan (although with Shou-Lung and Wa and Kozakura we may already have our fill of OA-style provinces/nations).
In any case, Edi, send me a PM and I'll see what I can do about getting you the full-scale image. It still needs GOBS of touch up work on just the colors, and it is devoid of borders, names, and city markings (although for some reason, major roads are on there, and the Dragonwall of all things). I am only a bit concerned about the file size, although in this day of movie downloading a couple hundred meg (maybe? haven't made a non-Paint-Shop-Pro full-sized .bmp or .tga yet) should not be a problem.
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January 4th, 2009, 12:52 PM
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Re: Faerun.
I would love to see more scenarios for Dom3. We really lack there. Very few of the maps have versions with built-in game settings. And fewer yet that try to merge mod with map. There is a large untapped potential there IMHO
Of course, its best (learned from experience) to not try to tackle such project all together but it can be done in stages. A great map, then package an alternative .map file for that map which creates a scenario game, then a mod to create things which another scenario places into the map. And then if you really want to get nuts, chaining scenarios MUHAhahahahaa (evil laugh).
OK sorry. Got carried away again. Of course they can all be created in a way which makes them available for use seperately. But I would like to see more full blown merges.
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January 5th, 2009, 05:26 PM
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Re: Faerun.
I am starting to over-think this project I believe.
The biggest problem I am having at the moment is twofold and in the same region of basic design: Nations!
OK, first off. Nations come in three Eras. Am I insane enough to want to put junk like Netheril and the Sarrukh empire in there? I have the technology but the "whole cloth" factor would eventually creep in.
I am thinking about just making every nation Late Age to start with, since the Present of Faerun is much better documented.
But then, since I've got a map with one end in Icewind dale and the other ends in Zakhara and Kara-Tur .... I start wondering if there are enough nations. And how to define them? If Dominions is a game of Deity vs Deity then logically the factions should be deity based. But that barely holds for the multi-pantheonal nations ... in Mulhorand, Horus is revered beside Selune. it's insane. So then I think.... political?
Just try to start that list. I'll do it for us all: Lords' Alliance (Waterdeep and Silver Marches), Cormyr, Sembia, Mulhorand, Thay, Amn, Tethyr, Evermeet, Rashemen, Zhentil Keep, Tuigan Horde, Shou Lung, Tien Lung, Wa, Kozakura, Tabot, Murghom, Calimshan, Dambrath, gasp pant gasp.
Maybe factions? Harpers, Zhentarim, Emerald Order, The Rundeen, various religious factions might also fit here? or some crazy combination of all of the above type of groups.....
but then just think... of the start locations :P
Input is welcomed ....
Monkevich.
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January 5th, 2009, 05:36 PM
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Re: Faerun.
Second set of thoughts on really bringing Faerun to life.
I am considering making commanders things like Purple Dragon Knight, Thavian Slavemaster, and so forth. some will be site based, like Edi put Witches in Rashemen (if you look hard enough LOL).
But seriously I will edit this one once I have some time to think more about Nations. Although unique heroes are ironically the easiest to fit in and need no discussion if you've dabbled in D&D at all (Elminster, Drizz't, etc., etc. ad infinitum).
Sites as well will be easy to extract from source.
I am learning how much I have to learn by poking at the manuals.
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January 5th, 2009, 06:06 PM
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Re: Faerun.
I don't really have that much in depth knowledge about faerun (I have a copy of baldur's gate 2... that's about it), but my first instinct would be to go either political or factional. Perhaps both actually. Deity based doesn't really make sense and would probably never work.
Remember that most of the inhabitants of the world are human, and while there are differences between them I don't there would be a huge difference in the kind of troops available for the most part. You could probably come up with a fairly generic mega-roster and give some of the units to some nations and not others. For non-humans it would probably be a bit more work, but I think you should probably avoid these at least for a little while if you are going to do it. I would also highly advise you NOT try to make all ages, that would take far too much work and I'm not sure how sensible you could make it. Doing it all in LA makes sense to me.
I would consider making some of the stronger factional units into summons, probably as national spells for the nations that get access to the particular factions.
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January 5th, 2009, 06:16 PM
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Re: Faerun.
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I don't really have that much in depth knowledge about faerun (I have a copy of baldur's gate 2... that's about it), but my first instinct would be to go either political or factional. Perhaps both actually. Deity based doesn't really make sense and would probably never work.
Remember that most of the inhabitants of the world are human, and while there are differences between them I don't there would be a huge difference in the kind of troops available for the most part. You could probably come up with a fairly generic mega-roster and give some of the units to some nations and not others. For non-humans it would probably be a bit more work, but I think you should probably avoid these at least for a little while if you are going to do it. I would also highly advise you NOT try to make all ages, that would take far too much work and I'm not sure how sensible you could make it. Doing it all in LA makes sense to me.
I would consider making some of the stronger factional units into summons, probably as national spells for the nations that get access to the particular factions.
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But the player is playing a god. The second good reason for doing it from a deity point of view is i have a set of GFX all ready for flags... for Faerun alone at first.
Also, if I plot the Late Age as the Time of Troubles, the avatars have starting points in the canon. *shrug*
I may include a few pre-built pretender gods although I'm sure I'll need some help drawing a few sprites.
I totally see your point though. Any way I cut it, I lose essential characteristics of the universe of FR. sigh.
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January 4th, 2009, 01:45 PM
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Re: Faerun.
Hey Gandalf was my gangwars mod something like you mean?
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January 4th, 2009, 02:14 PM
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Re: Faerun.
Yes. That was one of the better examples.
And of course your Domwars 3000 was another.
I think Sombre did with his WarHammer ones.
And I did D.A.R.E. and Natural Selection.
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Re: Faerun.
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I think Sombre did with his WarHammer ones.
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Nope. Haven't done any scenarios, haven't made any maps.
Zepath made a superb Warhammer Old World map and there was talk of an 'adventure' version of it.
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January 4th, 2009, 02:59 PM
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Re: Faerun.
I find that there is a large contingency of players who seem to love Dom3 for its ability to play on old machines and small laptops. (I hear that mostly with my MegaHugeMaxSettings maps that I like to make). But you could always chop off a piece and offer it as a partial for those folks later on.
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