Gamey tactics discussion thread - Page 4

Fyron · #31 October 26th, 2004, 11:44 AM

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sachmo said:
It's just not in some people to hold out until the bitter end. I don't really understand that point of view, but I can see how it can happen. Hopefully, in SEV this will be addressed.

But it is in a lot of people... Maybe not until the very bitter end, but most wouldn't go down without any fight at all, just because their government surrendered... SE4 surrender is just a smooth, senseless transition. There is no turmoil. At all. There should be massive chaos, rebels, etc. to deal with, but there is nothing. Surely, in some instances populations surrendered without incident, but in most historical cases, some sort of resistance formed, either immediately or a while later...

Aiken · #32 October 26th, 2004, 12:06 PM

Highly intelligent people of XXV century clearly understand that their resistance is futile

Rasorow · #33 October 26th, 2004, 12:29 PM

<pushes the send button on his hyperspace email transmitting the documents of surrender, as his starship denotates exploding the sun of his enemy's home system>

Sorry couldnt resist the mental image,

Rasorow

Starhawk · #34 October 26th, 2004, 12:29 PM

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Imperator Fyron said:

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sachmo said:
It's just not in some people to hold out until the bitter end. I don't really understand that point of view, but I can see how it can happen. Hopefully, in SEV this will be addressed.

But it is in a lot of people... Maybe not until the very bitter end, but most wouldn't go down without any fight at all, just because their government surrendered... SE4 surrender is just a smooth, senseless transition. There is no turmoil. At all. There should be massive chaos, rebels, etc. to deal with, but there is nothing. Surely, in some instances populations surrendered without incident, but in most historical cases, some sort of resistance formed, either immediately or a while later...

Yeah but now a days we don't have battleships that can kill 100s of millions of people with a single assault pass on your planet lol.

Sorry but I think in an era where a single capital ship can kill millions of people they would not put up much resistance.

Though I do agree that the surrender needs to be neutered a little bit, maybe more like having the ships and space based army regiments turned over to your enemy while having the planets break up into single system or even single planet "republics" and governments. that pirvately fund the ground based "regiments".

Fyron · #35 October 26th, 2004, 02:00 PM

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Starhawk said:
Yeah but now a days we don't have battleships that can kill 100s of millions of people with a single assault pass on your planet lol.

Yes we do. It is called the B2 stealth bomber, armed with hydrogen bombs. Just a couple of those would annihiliate any nation...

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Sorry but I think in an era where a single capital ship can kill millions of people they would not put up much resistance.

Just as in an era with nuclear bombs, those in Afghanistan and Iraq put up no resistance at all and just smoothly transition from the old government to the new without any fuss?

rdouglass · #36 October 26th, 2004, 04:47 PM

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Imperator Fyron said:
...Just as in an era with nuclear bombs, those in Afghanistan and Iraq put up no resistance at all and just smoothly transition from the old government to the new without any fuss?

What? Fyron, up until this statement, I thought you were making sense. Where have you been the past coupla' years? I see nothing smooth at all in those two countries...

douglas · #37 October 26th, 2004, 04:54 PM

Exactly his point.

Captain Kwok · #38 October 26th, 2004, 08:23 PM

...and often when a player surrenders, all his planets are rioting and you have to spend who knowns how many turns to end them, so that could be turmoil.

Fyron · #39 October 26th, 2004, 09:49 PM

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rdouglass said:

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Imperator Fyron said:
...Just as in an era with nuclear bombs, those in Afghanistan and Iraq put up no resistance at all and just smoothly transition from the old government to the new without any fuss?

What? Fyron, up until this statement, I thought you were making sense. Where have you been the past coupla' years? I see nothing smooth at all in those two countries...

Giving a real life example of how the threat of total annihiliation should have worked, if his proposition was true.

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...and often when a player surrenders, all his planets are rioting and you have to spend who knowns how many turns to end them, so that could be turmoil.

More often they have police troops and are still jubilant...

Tanus · #40 October 27th, 2004, 03:47 AM

On a similar note to surrender, in a game I'm currently playing, with surrender disabled, my enemy was down to 2 systems, and he just gifted them all and all his ships to one of his allies to avoid being captured.

I'll still get them in the end, but I still think it's a cheap, or 'gamey' tactic.