3 bogarus questions

[VedalkenBear]

Kuritza: I apologize for injecting SP flavor concerns into an incredibly complex, optimal MP situation. Please carry on your discussion without me.

[chrispedersen]

Valken,

When I do a MP bogarus build, the two best builds I came up with are Father of Winter and Gaia, as well.

[Kuritza]

VedalkenBear:
If you speak about flavour, then yes, Bogarus summons are very interesting and cool. If you speak about their worth - then it doesnt matter if you play SP or MP; bad and/or overpriced units are just bad.
I thought you were seriously discussing the benefits of using Bogarus summons, sorry for misinterpreting you.

[quantum_mechani]

Just to be clear, are you saying Bogarus summons are overpriced at current CB prices (because I believe those were the ones VedalkenBear was referring to)?

[JimMorrison]

Originally Posted by quantum_mechani

Just to be clear, are you saying Bogarus summons are overpriced at current CB prices (because I believe those were the ones VedalkenBear was referring to)?

I think that he's saying this is a classic case of a potentically useful summon, that needs to be made a batch spell. 1 summon for 1 gem *and* 1 turn of a Staret's time, isn't working, since you need squads of these things to be very effective. See the other poster suggesting getting 30 together.

I'd guess at 3/3 they'd look a bit more attractive, though 5/5 might be more reasonable, since these guys are more needed to shore up defense when Bogarus still looks fairly tasty to their neighbors.

[Wrana]

Unfortunately, Lady of Midday is thematically a solitary being (and was so in folklore). Maybe fudge spell somewhat to be castable by lesser mages than Staretz would be a better solution?

[Kuritza]

Originally Posted by quantum_mechani

Just to be clear, are you saying Bogarus summons are overpriced at current CB prices (because I believe those were the ones VedalkenBear was referring to)?

No, I meant vanilla game. Speaking of CB - having your Starets waste his time on summoning a single, rather squishy, unit is a desperate act. Even if that unit got buffed.
And Gamayun is rather bad even at 16 astral pearls in my opinion - it doesnt open any new paths, its not better at existing path than your national mages, it cannot become a thug etc. Its just a copy of your national mage that can fly.

[Redeyes]

Consider that winged boots cost 10 air gems and are usually considered useful... why wouldn't a 16 gem sacred mage-priest-leader be?

[Kuritza]

Because flying boots cost 7 gems with hammer, and they can be passed between commanders as the need arises. Summoned mage, on the other hand, is just that - a flying S2A2 mage who cannot cast anything your inexpensive national mages cant.
But 16 astral pearls is surely better than 25. At least now I would consider summoning them in a besieged castle, for example, to reinforce communion. Perhaps... some other uses as well.
Actually, I was just aggroed by a suggestion to rush Conjuration tree to start summoning Gamayuns. They may be considered a bonus, an addition to something else, but you just cant base any strategy around them.

[chrispedersen]

You know, Gemayans (and other similiar summons) *might* be useful, if the original casting continued to bring you one creature. However that creature could auto summon one or more of the same, at no gem cost.